Rob MacCachren - Professional Offroad Racer

Rob Mac is one of the best offroad drivers/racers in the world joins us to talk about the history of offroad, all the amazing people he has come across during his career, and the influences he had along the way.  This has to be one of the best episodes to date!

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All right, who's ready for The Dirt Life Show? Man, this is gonna be an awesome episode of The Dirt Life Show. Thank you guys very much for joining me on this fabulous Monday night. We have Episode 66 of The Dirt Life Show tonight, man, it's just 66 I can't believe it. I'm Georgie Hamill, I'm your guys's host for tonight. So again, thank you guys very much for joining us tonight show. We are live from Southern California with legendary off road racer. all around good humble guy and son actually rides a razor now tries razor off road as well, but just came back from second place at the Baja 1000. Many, many accomplishments as you can see on the tables here in front of us if you're watching the video, we got Rob McCracken joining us How's it going? Rob? It's happening. George, glad to be on the show. Yeah, thank you very much, man. Thank you for inviting us into this awesome shot that you guys got here. Yeah, um, you know, we spoke a few times recently. And I see around, I check out your show once in a while. And I'm happy to have you guys here and talk about racing. Yeah. And it's been good to talk with you. We got to go eat a hamburger and have a little bit of fun. But it's really cool to understand, like the mentality of all of us racers. Like it's all the same, right? Whether you've been racing for a very short time like your son has, or whether you've been racing for a long time like yourself, like, all of these guys think the same. They have the same mindset. They just want to go out there and win in life. Right? Absolutely. You know, I guess for me, started racing off road when I was 16. And my dad raced when I was in my single digit age. And when he when I got involved, I fell in love with it. And you know, once once you get hooked, you're, you know, you're all about it want to work hard and wanting to win and it's like an addiction. It totally is. Right. And that happens with pretty much everybody. two wheels, four wheels, anybody that lives there dirt life. So before we get started on our conversation, man, cuz we got lots to talk about. It's gonna be awesome. Tonight. I'd like to invite everybody to join us, you guys can always visit us on our live shows on Facebook and YouTube. At any time, six o'clock Wednesday, or excuse me Monday nights and come hang out with us comment in if you got any questions for Rob, you got any questions for myself? You got even questions about what's going on with racing in general, in the new 2021 season, it'd be cool to have you guys join in. We want to know what you guys have been up to, if you guys have been doing a race in yourselves. And you can always catch us and the archives on iTunes, you can catch us on Spotify, all of the different podcasts, networks, and all these on YouTube and at The Dirt Life Show calm. If you guys are more into Instagram, then go to add The Dirt Life Show. And you can always follow at 21 Rob Mac as well and go see all of his good stuff. He's got a bunch of cool content up there, man. And you can see back behind us over here. He's got pictures of his trophy truck online on as well. But this thing is still fresh off the track. in Baja, man, it's, it's pretty cool to see I tell you what, man. And so before we get into the conversation with Rob, we want to thank all of our sponsors. We want to thank shock therapy for coming on board. They've been a huge sponsor of the show, ever since the beginning. So thank you very much Justin and the whole team over at shock therapy. We have a really cool show coming up live at shock therapy with a guy that you actually know toddler dude. Yep. So Todd is going to talk about Monster Truck Race and all kinds of fun stuff and that'll be in two weeks over there at shock therapy. So you can use a code Dirt Life Show rock therapist calm you can give him a buzz anytime and go save yourself a whole bunch of money Tom Dirt Life Show sent you my low and JT and everybody up at the front of the shop is willing to help you guys out thank you very much to the guys that solder. Well, thank you excuse me the guys that cryo heat the guys and Kyle heat, they do all the metal treatments. Man, they do such such a good job. They can do your CV joints, they can build pro mod transmissions for players razors with a whole bunch of less rolling resistance, and a ton of other cool stuff. So give Josh over at cryo heat a call and he can help make your cargo faster. That's for sure. And thank you very much the guys over at wheel pros cam see and he effects tires. Rob obviously has a couple different sponsors that we'll be talking about tonight. But thank you very much Ryan and Ryan over there for supporting the show. We really appreciate those guys. So if you guys ever need anything, feel free to give those guys a call or check out some of the stuff that they have going. We're also doing a KMC wheels giveaway with the side by side guys. So go and check out at the side by side guys and on Instagram and enter to win some of those fantastic products that they have to fit your UTV and yeah, man, thank you very much to all of you guys for joining us and having a good time with us. So, man, I don't even know where to start with the questions. But let's uh, let's turn to this a little bit. We'll start by talking about last well last week and you had a pretty big weekend you went to the races to support your son but before that you were in Baja racing. Yeah, we it's been a blur really last three weeks. You know when down to the ball and thousand about seven eight days before the race spent the whole time down there pre running. We had a plan to do two drivers Josh Daniels row with me The plan was for me to start go to mile 420 to have him get in do about 320 miles than me to get in and go to the finish. You know, pre running went great, obviously, you know, scores always up in the game making the track tough. And actually these crazy times, man, yeah, absolutely. You know, and we, we had a hard time finding people to go down. Luckily, I have a group of people called the ball fools. They're fools. Yeah. Well, they've been around a long time. And they put it back in the early days, they put it with Ivan Stewart, PPI, they put it with Riviera herps. And for about the last since 2013, they've been pitching with us, they're a group of anywhere between 50 and 70 people strong and with COVID. Yeah, with COVID. Um, you know, some of them, you know, they have jobs and they couldn't get away. And ultimately, we were probably about 50% a crew that we would normally have let alone chase crews and and fuel guys. So man, the logistics and everything were thousand was very tough and very nerve racking. For me, it was good to, to get out of Vegas, my hometown, get down to baja and put all that away and get down enjoy the weather and pre running. And again, like I was starting to say their score put an incredible course on 900 miles, some of the tightest twists you stuff we've ever had, we speculated a 50 mile an hour average, which would have put us at 18 hours for the win and ultimately took over 19 hours for Luke to get that done. So you know, I think Roger Norman score, they keep trying to up the game make it more difficult. But we went did that finished about 530 in the morning? Well, before you talk about your next thing. So during that race, like did you guys have to adjust the plan during that race to kind of, I don't know, meet the tracks needs? Yeah, you know, you're always adapting. And that's the one of the big keys to success in racing in Baja has always been able to prepare, but prepare for what you'd never think would happen, you know, and luckily, the experience that I've had down in Baja, and then most of the people that I have, that are going with me, they're veterans of being down there. So whenever something throws you for a loop you're prepared and for it and can adapt and, and adjust to it. So we fortunately, you know, I have a lot of good guys on the team. And whenever something happens like that, which he typically always does, we're able to adapt and conquered and move on what you were saying that there was a couple funny stories that happened during the race, like the the pit strategy, you guys had to adjust that you couldn't stop at one of the stops, so you had to adjust and like meet the truck and another stop. And all of those things are so phenomenal in mine. I've never done a big race like that. So you know, short course and stuff is completely different. But when I think about how you have to what you said, 70 people, but you have to adjust a whole crew of people just to fit in that little. I don't know what you want to call it a mistake or adjustment. It's phenomenal how fast people react and how good your team has to be. Yeah, luckily, again, like I was saying, as I've been doing a long time ago, a lot of people have been doing a long time. So you know, when when ultimately months before even I say preparing for the ball 1000 starts the year before you're at the ball 1000 you're already preparing for the next year. And as it gets closer, the race score releases a map and you get to see where the course is supposedly going. And and ultimately they usually there's track changes as we get closer and you know, I put a pit plan together before I go down to baja and then when I'm down there, I'm adjusting it, changing it around and you know this race it was you know, I thought I knew where I was going to have my field pits and stuff. But when I went down there prerana I adjusted move people around. And you know we had a scenario we had five pits, fuel pits and pit one guys, there's about 15 in pit one. They were actually moving after I went through it my 155 they moved over to mile 300. So they pitted me twice. And then we went over the the pass through el coyote milling ranch area came down a valley to Trinidad got to Mike's road about mile for 42. We needed help. So BFG allowed us to pit in within their pit area in their semi, which allowed us to use their lights, their pit setup and stuff like that we use my guys. That's what Josh Daniel and Billy got in the truck. And then they went on to do their section. They went about 160 miles. They were going to stop and pit at a when they came out of metonymy wash and luckily my engine builder Kevin crier and Brittany was Brittany West off my co writers wife. They were chasing and they ended up going nobody not many people thought about this. But we started we went down the Pacific side and then the racecourse went over the mountains inland and then down through San Felipe Bay. But Kevin and I talked about what if they chased and they went down through el Rosario and all the way down south towards a la paz basically took the edge Apollo, they came up through Coco's and they went to pit three my pit for excuse me, when they got there, they realized that there wasn't enough manpower there. And they needed to figure out what they're going to do. They only had four guys there to do the feeling and, and everything on the truck. So at that time they got they'd had no cell service, they went north up towards San Felipe Bay till they could Get cell service and ended up calling us and said, Hey, we have a problem. So we adapted started calling people. I had an airplane up in the morning with the venerable boys, Jason and Michael Venable. They flew during the daylight hours, but they landed in San Felipe Bay, and then went to the motel. Well, when we found out we needed people, I set one of my chase trucks through San Felipe Bay pickup Jason and Michael at the airport, at the hotel, and then Hall but south and luckily, you know, everything happened and we got about seven or eight more people commandeered to get to that pit, so make it happen. So that's something I was totally unprepared for. But during the race and having a, you know, people that were smart enough to figure out, hey, this is what we got to do. And then people take it upon their own selves. You know, who's gonna, who's gonna be the tire guy who's gonna be the fuel guy? And how do we do all this, but they pulled that off in the pit actually happened in 40 seconds, which is a pretty damn good pit. So when you think about something like that, do you ever think about like how much people know you and what your reactions would be? And like how you would adapt to the situation? Like your guys said, Okay, we're making these executive decisions. We're going to go do this, because that's what Rob would do. And he'll just follow the plan. Yeah, well, a lot of people you know, they they know, I always tell pretty much every one that's on the team are associated with me, let it be me that makes the decision. Right. You know, so if you can reach out to me and put it on me, you come come to me with all your ideas. But, you know, ultimately, I hope for everyone to make it be my decision that way. If it goes wrong, it's on me. It's not on them. And that's what Kevin courier did. He knew, he knows me well enough. We've had this discussion many times in racing, short course desert, you know, come up with your best idea. And let me make the call. And let me be the guy if it goes wrong, let it all fall on me. So he did that. And and, you know, other people that I have Jimmy Davidson, you know, he went down, but as a volunteer, and Chris Salazar, those are the two guys. You know, they basically took those two guys took the bull by the horns, once they found out they weren't supposed to be at the field pit. They were supposed to be chasing, once they found out what was going on, they started making phone calls, and making stuff happen and figure out how are we going to do this. And ultimately, you know, that's one of the best things about off road. Typically, we all are a great big family. We want to help out each other and so on and so forth. And we pull that off. And that's that story. You know, there's a lot more to it a lot more details and funny things that happen. But that story is that's part of why we love racing in Baja, that's part of the memories and everything else. They're an extension of you almost exactly like they do such a great yeah, at this whole time. Josh Daniels and Billy in the race truck, they had no idea this was happening anything so they're going to a fuel pit that they thought was fully covered. And, you know, to the I had never asked Josh like how did it go? Like Did you notice anything? But yeah, Kevin Cryer ended up being the guy stopping the truck and Jimmy was the left rear tire guy and and Jimmy wouldn't even let he was concerned. Oh guys normally don't do yeah, they don't do this and Jimmy's Awesome. Awesome help. And, you know, he was so on top of it. And he didn't even he wanted to do the left retire and then he wanted to run around the other side to make sure it got done right before the truck got left. So check it out. Yeah, so we went checked it out. But you know, these guys it's you know, they all have my parents taught me when I was little when I first started racing surround yourself with people that have passion, like you door, you know, or more. And typically, you know, that's that's one thing that I've learned, you know, this helped me be successful. That's actually a really good point to bring up. So if any of the kids are listening or watching like, it's really, really important that you surround yourself with people that are either good people, or that have the same passion as you like Rob just said, because that's going to make all of the stuff that you do for the rest of your life that much easier. We actually had a comment come in. That's Mike Gibson said are Gilson said does Rob thanks short course races should be longer. And what does what's the strangest place? You've seen a kid? Come out to watch you practice inside joke? Sounds like he knows you. Yeah, I know. Mikey. Yeah. Mikey gilkes. Gilson. We named him the child of the corn. And the reason why that is we were in I believe it was. Sounds like a good Yeah. 1997 my first year racing with my own team back in the Midwest in the soda series. It was then which turned into core. We Johnny grieve was good enough to let us use his shop. Oh, and so we actually use Johnny shop for five years. Wow, we race back there. And you know, when our first year back that we were struggling had a brand new pro four. And we were struggling with the truck. It was brand new right before we went to the first race, we had no test time. And after first couple races like Johnny we need to find a place to go test and we need to test somewhere nearby. Johnny shop was near Green Bay. And so he made some phone calls, found some land about five miles away in the cornfields and we went out there with the tractor and made a little couple jumps and basically called it a finger. It was a figure eight track just to go against them. Yeah, between the cornfields and it was a little area with that water would run through so they really couldn't grow corn there. So we were out there testing One day, and we think we're in the middle of nowhere, no one's around. And all of a sudden, Mikey, the child of the corn came walking out of the corn. And he was, I believe, is about 14 years old at that time. We're like, where did this kid come from? Well, you know, exactly. So it ended up you know, Mikey ended up volunteering with us and, and started going all the races with us. And oh, you know, his mom and dad were well that let him go as he was young us, you know, we traveled to Indy and in different races with him, took him four or five, six hours on the road with us and had a lot of fun with him. So and he we just raced Crandon here in labor day. So yeah, he comes out every time we race back there, he comes out and helps out volunteers. And see I can't say enough about how much that actually because we get people asking all the time, even in fact, I had a Polaris test driver asked me, How do I get in to help these teams? Yeah. And that's the first thing you do you volunteer? Yep, exactly. And you just come hang out? Because every single one of us or any racer needs help. Yep. So you can come out to the teams up, actually, Mikey also asked, and he plans to get back into a pro for again, I would like to see you get back into pro four. That's for sure. Yeah, you know, I'm sure. Two questions you had there. One, I didn't answer the, you know, short course races being longer. You know, they're pretty darn intense. And then also, you know, the wear and tear on the trucks is pretty amazing, actually. So, when we race pro to, for instance, in some of the the tracks out on the west coast, how rough they are, you know, we end up having to change a ring and pinion after, you know, practice and then race at once. You know, 1516 laps. So like that we have to put a new ring opinion in there. As far as pro four goes, they're even more, you know, labor intensive on keeping them on the track. So I don't know, maybe a little bit longer, you know, but I don't know, too much would be a little, probably a format that question to ask him at a race where he's in second. And he almost caught the leader on the last lap, and it needs to be longer than anyone to be long. But if you're a winning, it needs to be shorter. When you're winning the race seems really long. Yeah. And when you're losing, it seems really quick. So yeah, and pro 40. I love racing pro for, you know, those those trucks are badass, you know, some incredible things you can do with them. And, you know, one of the biggest things I most, you know, fascinating thing to me was when you'd actually, you know, I call it back in it into the corner. Yeah, all wheel drive truck doesn't like to turn very well. Yeah. So you need to really throw them hard to get them turned over rotate them and then stand on the gas. Yeah, so they're, they're definitely fun. And, you know, I'd love to do that again, you know, short course, in the Midwest looks like it's doing really good. With the core series back there happening the the West Coast, it's, it's at a crossroads here with Lucas Oil, you know, pulling out so that's very concerning. And I really feel for the young kids. You know, right now, they don't really have a place to go. We'll see what develops, you and I were talking about a little bit earlier. Yep. You know, you got other series that are going works utvs look like maybe they're gonna, you know, be a place to go for all these younger kids and all the trophy kids. Yeah, the trophy kids. You know, it's such a bummer. You know, you think about all the people, all the kids that started, you know, about 15 years ago, that, you know, when they had an avenue racing with the core series out here on the west with Jim Baldwin, you know, the RJ, you know, Anderson, Jared Brooks, all these kids Sheldon creed. You know, all those kids were trophy car kids, and they grew up and they look what they did. And and now Yeah, now let's go on. And the first thing, when I heard I started getting messaged that, uh, you know, Lucas was gonna shut the doors for offroad I was just like, the first thing I thought about was the kids. Yeah, and it's a bummer, but hopefully, somebody steps up and, and fills the void. And, you know, this is, I've learned a long time ago. Also, you know, this is opportunity. So dude, yeah, you know, so hopefully, you know, I think a lot of these kids are going to use TVs and stuff as we talk about this short course stuff. We actually have another camera angle and Rob Rob shop here. You can see some of the stuff that Rob has over there. He also has a and if you're not watching and you're listening on iTunes, you should go back and check out the the video on either on YouTube or Facebook, but you can see some of the stuff that he has over here. In fact, he was just unloading some tires and stuff from from the Baja races. So he's got some bfgs over there but he has actually two pro twos over there and one pro for two pro so so yeah, so there's actually two pro fours and a in a pro two we currently have raced to the most recent one that we raced is on the as I'm looking at the monitor it's on the far left with nobody on it. That's the pro to the truck in the middle with the Makita hood on it. That's the old pro for that I used to race from 1997 to 2001 that trucks got some awesome stories though. Yeah, absolutely. That's that's the truck that Mikey Shiloh lakorns that's the first truck that he came in. Oh really? And so that truck there knife Frank so I go if you're still watching that thing probably looks familiar. Yeah, we got to bring that back out right dude. And then the one with the closest closest to us. That's the newest pro forma that's been sitting there and it's it's ready to go I mean, we I don't know what to do with these things. Now you know, joking. We go to the sand dunes with these things. What do we do with them now, man if you want to film so cool. So, maybe it's not too bad of an idea. Yeah, see what you can do to have some fun. I gotta admit, though, like coming in the shop and seeing those things, it's really cool to see because a lot of the reason that we started The Dirt Life Show is because we see everybody in the track. We see him on social media, and we think, Oh, well, I know Rob, I, you know, I know, RJ Anderson, I know, Kyle to Duke, but we really don't, you know, like, you have so much behind you and so much. We'll call it humbleness and normalcy, that the things that you do translate all into this racing stuff, your passion, everything that you do in your whole life. And it's really cool, because a lot of the people that are watching the show have those same types of passions and the same type of understanding for all these different, you know, racecars and all this stuff. So maybe you could share one of those stories with us about that, that truck. So so the the old pro four was built by knife Frank and Dave Clark in the end of 1996, for the 97 season. And you know, it's an air shock truck, it has one air shock per corner. It's got some rules that were designed or made for it. So you guys, a lot of you guys that are a short course know about the 10 inch right height rule that we have now. And actually, that rule was instituted because of that truck. When that truck was first built, it had about a seven inch right height then after racing for three years on the fourth season, we ended up getting on a roll that truck 122 out of 36 races in the 2000 and 2001 season that truck also won three borgwarner First of all, that's a lot of completion. Yeah, that's man, that's awesome. Yeah, that reliability was good on that. Absolutely. You know what it took us It took us time the first three years we really struggled in. You know, we had a lot of a lot of teething pains with that truck but once we got it dialed in, it got on a roll. It one three borgwarner races in a row back in Crandon which now they called the amsoil Cup and I'm not sure what it's called now but it it it's the one and only truck that's ever won three of those in a row. But um you know that truck the 10 inch right height rule was was because of that truck it had about a seven inch right height then people started complaining about it saying it's too low and you know, we got a you had a right height rule and the right height rule. Funny story, but when Jimmie Johnson Yep, raced soda. The her sock family commissioned rod Millen to build them a pro two. And when they built the pro two, there was a track with that had to be 92 inches wide in the front, the outside of the tire, no inches, no wider than 92 inches wide here on the west coast. To get around that you ended up put a lot of negative camber in the front because the way that they would measure exactly because they measure at the center line of the spindle. So at the centerline of the spindle, you couldn't be any wider. 92 so when that truck got built, they took it back east. And the first time out it I believe Lake Geneva. Yeah, they the people back there and soda tech said this trucks illegal. So they said, you know, wow, to fix this thing brand new, it's going to cost a lot of money. You know, we were back here for the summer months. And we're we're not planning on, you know, send this thing back to fix it. So they ended up jacking the truck up to 10 inches to get that camera to go away. Yeah, so it measured legal. So it might be a little hard for somebody some of the people to see. But if you have a big screen, you might be able to see how those those tires are really have a lot of negative. Yeah, yeah. So when that rule was instituted in I think 96 tenants right height rule, but it was a way to clarify the way it was stated. It said track width will be measured at a 10 inch right height. That's because they jack Jimmy struck up to 10 inches, and it was legal. So all the way until 2000 it was just a way to measure track with will in 2000. It somehow became a right hi throw. Yeah, so my truck was not legal, it already raced in 9798 99 and part of 2000. And now we have a right height rule. So chocolate up to one of the rules that that was instituted, because it's something that I was associated with. But that's pretty cool, though you got to think and then there's I'm sure there's many other rules that kind of follow that same suit, but utvs had those same rules come up over the past, you know, four or five years and all kinds of different stuff. But I guess you could say you're trying to level out the competition, but we have this conversation with 90% of the racers that we talk with on the show is a rulebook is made to be how do you say it studied to be studied? Yeah, to figure it out to be beaten? Yeah, or whatever you say? Because a lot of the races can be won by a good rule book adjustment. Yeah, you know, however, you're following the rules. So it's pretty cool to see that and to see that truck have so much success behind the wheels of a great driver like you is rather the rules came behind it like you got to feel a little bit good about that. And you know, I mean, no, it is it is you know, and I I appreciate it, you know, we're you know, I've associated my people with with myself with a lot of people that are pretty innovative and they're always trying to figure out a better way and knife Frank and Dave Clark were people that always tried to, to do something with their hands in their mind to make stuff better. They never really had a ton of money behind them to just do anything. So Nye and Dave would have to use our brains to figure out how to beat people. And, you know, I, I like that too. And I study the rule book and I read the rulebook and try to figure out ways to do what you can do. And we weren't anywhere near the level of you guys because we're just racing a little utvs. But I had to read that UTV rulebook probably, I don't know at least 200 times trying to figure it out. And it makes you lay awake at night You're like, man, how can I go faster? What can I do? We had a Mikey Gilson commented back and since we were talking about him, yeah, I missed that truck. I wish I could drive it. Can I come visit? Come out. We got some work for you to do here. The shops truck needs to be cleaned up after the thousand. Yeah, come on out. We had a bunch of comments on Facebook. But Parker James, one of the best in the desert guys asked if there was any 2021 best in the desert plans. Right now. You know, I my sponsors have pretty much aligned me with me. You know, we're doing desert racing. We don't know if we'll do any short course racing in 2021. We love going to Crandon probably doing score stuff, maybe best and desert here, and they're just really haven't laid everything right now, just getting off the thousand and trying to fit what we're doing next year. This has been, as you all know, a crazy year. And it's really even difficult to figure out what we're doing next year, I do think it's cool that you have the opportunity to be able to figure it out and kind of adjust. You know, I've talked to a bunch of people before including yourself about a pivoting, I guess you could say, in the racing scene, or whatever you want to do to make things go better for your program. And you had even said this yourself. It's an opportunistic time. Yeah, I think that's a really, really true statement. Because if you position yourself properly, you have a phenomenal I don't know, lead or edge on everybody. Yeah, you gotta, you know, you gotta adapt, right? You know, and through all my years of racing, you know, there's always been curveballs thrown at us, and, you know, different series, changing schedules, changing, sponsors changing, and you always have to be ready to adapt. And, you know, really, this has been the most difficult time to figure out how to adapt, though, it really it has been this whole year, you know, for me, and my team, you know, just figuring out what we're racing, you know, you have a plan, then the dates get postponed, then they get canceled, and, and so on and so forth. And, you know, we ended up doing some different things, we weren't going to race CRAN, and we weren't going to race Vegas, Reno this year. And we ended up going to both those and we just had to adapt, and it's the same looking forward, you know, basically, you know, maybe you were headed this direction last five years, or whatever it is. And now the direction I think is gonna change a little bit. So, you know, I'm, you know, I got a pretty good idea what we're doing next year, I got some, some sponsor calls here to make in the next few days and talk to them and just try to feel everything out and see what what is the best thing for us, where's the best place for us to go, you know, and it's kind of cool too, because you'll get, I want to say creative and good feedback from them as well, because they're going to tell you what they think is best to so they're going to give you an idea of if your pivot idea works good and stuff like that. And the reason that I talked about it so much is because there's so many people that are watching the show now, young racers, like we just talked about. I know one guy that was telling me about it, his name is Ryan Prosser. He's a new UTV guy, he races works. And he was talking to me about it at dinner at the last works races and he was saying, I don't know what we're going to do, we're going to do this and it's cool for them to be able to hear what a professional like yourself is going to be doing for 2021 because it'll give them motivation to understand that it's not going to be the same but they can adjust and still achieve their goals. No, absolutely. You know, there's I think that there's lots of opportunities out there it's just going to find out where they are. Yep. You know, I think you know, the the worst thing or guess the Lucas Oil that's the worst thing that happened but you know, there's other places to go you know, exactly you know, a lot of the I feel for all these kids that were you know planning on going through Lucas Oil people that were preparing to go do that. You know, maybe there'll be a void You know, there's definitely an opportunity I've heard small rumors nothing to myself of anything substantial but small rumors about somebody trying to pick up the ropes and get some stuff going. Then you have other series works you know, you got a xop you got you know, the the in the Midwest series you know, they look they're looking strong back, flexes hex flex, that's another one that I was gonna say, Man, that place sounds like it's good. I've never been I know you have been there. We definitely looked at it. My son Caden you know racing works plan on racing works again next year. And I know you have the the family wagon that you took out. The Warfighter made things. Dustin Jones from Louisiana, he took out we'll call it the party wagon. He took out a Canon MX three that he has, I know your players guy, but he took out a Canon MX three had a full speaker system in it, put his buddy in it put some Monster Energy in the back cooler and he went out and raised it I texted her, FaceTime him So maybe you'll take Kayden out there one of these days and he'll go out there and race and try to give those pros a run for their money. But you can take the family wagon he absolutely should have a family wagon race. I bet you would Dustin Jones's be joined. Yeah. Hey, so we got some other comments come in on Facebook. And it looks like Mary, I think, the way you pronounce it, Mary Duncan, that says, That's awesome. Way to go. Jimmy. So it sounds like maybe Jimmy was one of the ones that helped with the pit strategy and Yamaha and Amber chimed in as well. She said, Yeah, Jimmy Davidson made that pit happen. So that's cool that you guys have that? I don't know. same mentality. Everybody's just on point to try to think ahead. Yeah. And that's, I said it before, surround yourself with good positive people that have passion are like minded. You know, these people have spent Jimmy and a lot of the people he spent time around me so they kind of know how I think and they know my passion. So you know, they Jimmy dug in deep and made it happen. So we were talking a little bit earlier. And we might post some of this content on social media when you give us a little bit of a rundown of the Baja truck about the seat pads that you have in there. And one of my best buds are two of my best buds Tim Holly from up ER and Jeff courier from up or Tim just chimed in, and he said, for those of us that think Rob is the goat the greatest of all time and off road. Who do you think is the goat herd? Um, you know, I used to look up to I still do Larry Ragland. Um, you know, when I got started racing, I looked up to a guy named jack Johnson who's Yeah, this year, he's getting inducted into the offroad Motorsports Hall of Fame. JACK was from Vegas, he raced motorcycles, he moved into racing buggies for Blitzstein out of Las Vegas race Butch teens house car that was kind of a, and it's where I moved into to. And before me was jack Johnson before jack Johnson was Ralph tijdlijn. Yeah, another modal guy. So you know, jack, someone that I looked up to, he taught me a lot about offroad racing taught me how to read the desert. And he battled with Larry Ragland. And, you know, I had hopes like you guys were bad. Exactly. So, you know, I go and watch, listen to jack and watch him sometimes when I wasn't racing, and watching him battle with Larry Raglan. And then in the early 90s, when I went move to a truck into the Ford row for pride program in 1991, I raced against Larry, Raglan in class eight. So he was someone I was looked up to, and now I'm racing against him. And at that time, didn't even think I had the leg to stand on to compete with him. And then ultimately, within, you know, half a year or so I was battling with him and he and I were going at it. And that was a lot of fun. Walker Evans as well. You know, somebody who's, you know, I raced for in the late 80s and learn a lot from him. All right. Well, some Tim asked that question. I'll put you on the spot. Who's your Mount Rushmore of off road? Man, it sounds like Larry would well Larry, Larry, you know, there's I guess there's bits and pieces short course racing. You know, I looked up to rod Millen I watched him drive and he was just incredible. Dude, still to me this day, like just because of my injury and stuff. Evan Evans was a bad mofo dude. Yeah. And Evan, when I raced at Walker's, I raced a seven s and Evan was there racing the class six, that's when he he got hurt. So, you know, Evan was a bad dude. You know, Robby Gordon, incredible, you know, when we started out? Actually, a lot of people don't know this, but I think it was 1986 score, HRA rookie of the year it was between me Robbie and cam steel. Oh, really. So the three of us were up and Robbie ended up winning that one. But it's kind of a joke between the three of us and we laugh and giggle but um, yeah. You guys are always like you son of a gun. Yeah. from us. Yeah. Well, Robbie was I remember when he first started he when he raced. I was already racing for a couple years. And, you know, when he showed up, and like, Damn, you know, first time out, they put him I started in a 1600 car. Yep. And I went to class 10 then I went to class one. Well, Robbie went straight to class one unlimited buggy. So I was impressed with how when he came in, and he was 16 Racing class one he hauled ass, like, where'd this guy come from? That's cool, though. You know, I appreciate it. Just like with sports, you know? I don't have a favorite team. But I like a good team. Yeah, like, let's see a good game. I like to see a good team. So I couldn't agree more man, like in just a fanboy a little bit. I think if some of because I'm a little bit of a younger generation or I don't know as much of the legacy of offroad like some of the first short course races that I went to were in roughly 2008 to 2010. Yep. And I didn't know anything but dirt bike racing until then. And so when I got there, you as well as a Why am I forgetting his name right now? Lucas truck, Carl. Yeah, Carl. Yeah, yep. And Serrano sadder. You and I think warty was race. Yeah, time. Yeah. So like, those were my Mount Rushmore to look after, you know what I mean, like your guys's names because I didn't know that utvs were gonna start racing and stuff like that. And Casey curry gave me the opportunity to test drive in his pro light and then I just got hooked from there. So like when I talked about the Mount Rushmore stuff and seeing you guys all Dyson on the track, especially in pro fours at the time, was like phenomenal for me to look at was like a kid in a candy store. Yeah. It was pretty cool. So Abraham, I don't know how to say his last name guilarte asked Rob. I would be more than happy to help volunteer on any of your baja races this last year. I saw you go through race mile 505 at Morelia, junction amreli Junction. Yeah, and merliah Junction. I stayed at the hotel where you normally stay at at the San fleabay 250. And they told me your chase guys had just left man just missed them, dude. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we could have used your help down there because we were missing people. Yeah. Just been right there, right. Oh, yeah. Jacob Imperial says pro for out and glamorous would be pretty sick. Yeah. You see any of those social media videos where those guys were hugging their utvs at the swingset? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, it made me think I should have my have a short course truck out there. That's that's, that's probably what these short course trucks are, for now is Glamis. They're, they're not proforce anymore. They're Glamis. trucks. JOHN commented and said, you work in the area, not in the rulebook, just like NASCAR. Yeah. Yeah, that is a Yeah. Brian forester commented in some serious talent. What's up, Brian? He's a good friend of mine, too. So is, uh, yeah. And Brian Hawkins comment as well, man, we're getting a lot of comments coming in already today. This episode, he's like a kid in the candy store watching all this stuff. So I don't know when you logged on Brian. But we'll just give you a little sneak peek of the pro four. And pro two in the short course trucks over there. We got the Baja truck sitting right behind us or the trophy trucks and right behind us. But he's got some pretty cool stuff in the shop, man. So we're lucky to be here. And we're lucky to rob invited us over to hang out for the night. So going back to what we were talking about, about works racing and what you did over. Well, last weekend. You got done racing the Baja. He plays second. So congratulations to you and your team. That's awesome. These aren't the trophies from that race. But these are some of the most memorable trophies that you have. Right? Yeah, absolutely. Um, you know, the general preps this truck here and back behind the truck. He's got a little area with all his favorite trophies. And there's there's a the 2014 15 and 16 Bar 1000 overall trophies, and this is one of those and he's got the mid 400 stuff back there and a few other things. This is this thing's pretty cool. You guys can't see it. But this sucker is so heavy, man. It's like solid metal man. It's super super cool. What a cool trophy to have though. Yeah. And it was the 48 so that's three years ago. Yeah, I think. Yeah, that's right. Well, it's either 1415 or 16 so we haven't got one sense we've got a couple seconds since then. And we'd love to get you know there's no feeling for me and all my racing the feeling that you get when you win the ball 1000 overall something like nothing else that happens in a we were close to this year about 11 minutes down to look at the finish line but um you know still were there times during the during the event when you when you thought either you really had the chance to go through it or you thought like God we just got to keep catching up we got to keep catching up because there's those races right that you're like I'm on fire I got this like no problem and then there's no other races you're like, like we just talked about like I need a little bit more time like I'm inching inching up like what did you feel like during this last race? Yeah, so this this year's race we started six right you know, I felt we had a great starting position and we kind of got held up the first hundred and 55 miles will last about four to five minutes to the lead for guys. But that's okay, you know, still 900 mile race I knew was going to be difficult and plenty of time It's okay. And we got clear of the guy fifth on the road and started trying to catch back up and ended up having a slow leaker, didn't lose any positions, change a tire and a little little over a minute, which is really good. didn't lose any position then just started trying to work our way up and right before you know our second pit mile 300 we started getting dust again, started catching some dust and about that time, from mile 300. Over through Melling ranch el coyote and down over Trinidad the sun went down. And now we were in heavy dust and that was the the number 70 truck. And then in front of him was the 19 truck and I just felt we were going way too slow like this is this is not good. Dust was hanging really, really bad. And I kept seeing the lights every time we you know it's very mountainous in there. And you could see the trucks every once in a while I could tell there was two of them. And I'm just like we got we need to be going faster because I don't feel good about this. And by the time we got to the other side and I got out of the truck at four mile 422 we were almost 15 minutes down now. The first truck on the road and about 12 minutes down to the third truck on the road and we were fourth on the road now. Because both those trucks that were in front of me the 7019 had small problems and it was enabled us to get by him. But we were down 15 minutes about when Josh got in and then he hauled but had no problems on the whole San Felipe Bay. Loop, you know, gave me the truck back at mile 740 and basically had a run as hard as we could to the finish. But there's a lot of, there's a lot of technical stuff in there corridor, Molina tied up hill Canyon. Very, very rocky. So I was trying to push in there, but I go, man, if I have a flat, that's gonna drop me back, it's too risky, right? We try to be patient get up through there and just try to keep making time. And, you know, when we got to about 80 miles case, 7780 miles from the finish, you know, we gained a little bit of time, but not enough. So we really went for it then. But at the same time, knowing after the race, Alan and booty had got back in the truck there and he wanted to win and Luke, Luke had him by some amount of time. So Aaron went balls to the walls trying to catch up because it was winter nothing. I did the same thing. And Luke figured in hindsight him telling you at the finish line, Luke thought the same thing. He said, I gotta go, because I know these guys are coming. Yeah, so Luke told me from case 77 Oh, host that 40 miles in there. He drove like he was buying full word he was wouldn't it? So yeah, in that section and pootie ended up crashing, rip in the front bumper off and oil coolers and stuff like that. So we we were able to get in front of him, which gave a second place and at the line we were we lost by about 11 minutes. And and I remember we'd actually interviewed Alan on the show a while back and he told me he's like, these these new desert race. Well, the latest desert racing years. It's like winter diatribe kind of thing. Yeah, you it's seconds or minutes. Like it's so close, that you almost don't have the opportunity to slow down like you were saying you just have to go full tilt ever since we started qualifying for the races. And now the fastest guys are starting in the front the pace like elevated 10 or 15%. Oh, so when we first started qualifying, and let's just say that first race I don't worry I qualified not first, okay. Yeah. And I'm back somewhere. And the race starts, we go 30 miles, 50 miles, and I'm hauling ass. And I'm, I'm losing time. And I say to myself, and I want to tell everyone slow down. Yeah, we're going too fast. We're not gonna make it. But you know, some of the the younger guys, the new guys that came on board, you know, they didn't have the history that I did when I had to deal with you got to save your brakes, you got to save the transmission, you got to save the tires. In these new new times, the technology in the equipment has become so much more reliable, that you can actually push them hard. So as time goes on, keeps getting better and better and better. BFG keeps making a better and better tire. And you know, there they go. 200 miles. I remember in early, early 90s class eight days, you had to take care of your tires, you could make them bald in 30 miles. I mean, we were talking about this a little bit before the show, too, because you showed us actually, I think he showed us some of the tires that are over there by the short course trucks that these are big 40 inch tires. Yep. And they're so lightweight. It's easy. But you said they're building them lighter, while I guess lighter, stronger, faster. That's a kind of a cliche, but it really is like, no, it's true. And then I asked like, how are you building a tire lighter, that makes more grip, and yet it's stronger? Well, it's technology, new materials that come out. And they're able to make tires with better material that ends up being lighter. And all it trickles down to all that like and as we talked about this all the time, how much the racing portion of off road trickles down into us trail riders and people that are going to the dunes and all these different things because all these performance enhancements and technology are developed from racing. So all of the stuff that you're doing out on the track trickles down to all the stuff that people can put on their car. Absolutely. It's not tires, not just tires, yes, shocks, transmission parts. It's everything in that truck. Wheels, you know, have those electronically controlled shocks. I mean, your razors? I do not Yeah, have you seen those? Yeah, actually, yeah, actually, I have. I've I've driven I don't have my mind. But I've driven them on razors. And then, you know, Fox is always pushing the envelope and they're actually they're starting to do that stuff on trophy trucks now. Oh, really. I'm getting some of the technology here. I don't have it yet. I've tested with it. Fox owns a trophy truck. And I've done some driving with them for testing. And also Justin often. He used it at the ball 500 and he also used it at the blue otter and he wanted the blue otter with it. So that that technology is being instituted into trophy trucks that you know, stuff that came from the razor on the Raptor. Yeah, going in a trophy truck. Now obviously trophy truck has a lot more wheel travel, the shop speeds are a lot faster than then. Especially a raptor, typically and UTV is not quite as fast but rare when you have more moving pieces. Yeah, just the wheel travel, you know, 30 something inches a wheel travel in the shocks. Yeah, the shaft speed that's getting there. I'm sure the utvs are similar, but probably not as great. But yeah, I don't think there'll be anywhere close. But yeah, I totally get it. I mean, it's just so cool to see all this technology come trickled down and utvs wouldn't be anywhere near what they are today unless stuff like this that trickled down. So we had a couple more comments come in. So really, where do you stop? For bathroom breaks during the Baja 1000 Have you ever got this question because we get it all the time. Yeah show we got it for Sara prices show to us like now we know. Well, we we wear I wear a catheter, so well Sarah does wear anything no and and I feel for she uses a little bit of baby powder. Yeah. Yeah I am you know, I didn't used to wear a catheter till about 2010. And I ended up I would dehydrate myself honestly or if we had a I would because you don't want to take a pill you don't want to and you know, I honestly I couldn't you know, it's like I couldn't even pee, but I would dehydrate myself. And then I would feel it at the end of the race and I never really knew it. Until about 2010 I started wearing a catheter, and I couldn't pee in it. But one time going over the summit on the bottom side in the wash. I got a flat Yeah. And I had to pee really bad from the start line. So for almost two hours, I had to pee. Well, the first time I ever was able to do it was when I had a flat tire and I was able to relax since then. It's been a piece of cake. So um, you know, ultimately I'd say, you know this last fall 1000 I probably I peed a lot, you know, and we have a drinker system on the truck. Yeah, it's got about a two gallon reservoir. It's got a little pump and I push the button have a hose and I push a button. So I'm constantly drinking, because I realized now how important it is to stay hydrated. Absolutely. So ometer is key. Yeah. 100% and I learned that too in my one of my first desert races as well. And fortunately, I didn't have the the stage fright. So I was just able to go and I was like, geez, this is awesome. Like, this is perfect. One of the best things ever. Yeah, one of the best things ever. But that cold water thing is actually sounds like it's pretty cool. Yeah, the little drinking system. Yep, absolutely. The last racer, they got to refill so every fuel pit that we stopped that they they refill the water. So we never run out. Yeah. And Jacob says you don't stop for restroom breaks. Yeah, you don't, man. So you just keep going as fast as you can go because that's what everybody else is gonna be doing too. So maybe that's one of the the best inventions is having to not stop for pee breaks, right? Yeah. Key key to success. All right. So we we keep going like on an off on a little different side subjects. But so you, you and your team did phenomenal at the race just to finish a baja 1000 just to finish a San Felipe a 250. Any of those races is a phenomenal achievement. Right? But you finished second at the Baja 1000 you had a bunch of people down there. Did you have any time to reminisce or thank everybody or did you just come straight back to the states to come? Yeah, no. We just came right back. Um, we finished about 530 in the morning, a little bit of sun in the sky. We did some interviews, stuff like that they wouldn't because of COVID they wouldn't let the team I really feel for Luke McMillan and he mentioned it to me. You know, here he is winning his first ball 1000 and finish line was out in the middle of nowhere. You know, there was no locals, no spectators, they only allowed very few of our own people in there. So his celebration was was pretty minimal. And, you know, I feel for him. But um, you know, still I'd been I'd love to be the winner of that race. But uh, you know, kind of a bummer but we went back to you know, and everyone knew that they couldn't come to the finish line. So a lot of them all went back to their I had people in three different hotels and in Sonata couple rental houses, stuff like that. People stay in San Felipe Bay. You know, most when I got back to the hotel most everybody who's either gone headed home already, or already in bed. So um, you know, Kade my son was racing works that same weekend and prim. So I didn't know for sure how soon or how, how I would feel. Yeah, you can head home. So you know, once that sun came up, I was wide awake. And we went back to the hotel loaded stuff up and I started checking on everyone see how they're doing so yeah, we talked about it like technology has gotten so much better. I'm sure your phone wouldn't stop. Yeah. So we ended up packing up and drove straight from Ensenada home to Vegas. got home about 730 or so. Saturday night and then Sunday morning, got up, went back out and and help Caden Yeah, went down to pram where the side by side World Finals. We were over there too. So that was actually the first time that I got to and I never met your son Caden, I wasn't able to because we were so busy. But that was the first time I got to ever see him drive. And I told you when we were showing up the shop earlier today that it was really cool for me because I didn't know who he was. I had no I just saw, you know, the black razor. I called it and I was like, Man, this kid is driving like a really good driver. Right? And, you know, I heard him call his name out and I said, Wow, I didn't know that that was Robson and I really honestly had no idea that he was at that level of racing. So you got to be pretty proud. Yeah, absolutely. It's it's only his second year racing last year was his first in the works. And he just raced in this in the stock 1000 class last year. This year. He raced both the 1000 Productions RS one right? Yep. Rs one. The sherie race 1000 production and 1000 stock ended up winning. I think he won 13 races total this year, two seconds and 11th Yep, won the championship and both and. And then on Sunday, this Sunday, right after the thousand when I got home he ended up racing three to three times because after he clinched both the championships he was able to enter the pro race so he wanted to see where he fitted with the with the pros. And it was ended up in the turbo class and he's in a non turbo car so they out powered in quite a bit. But he anyways he got his feet wet in there and next year he'll be moving to the pro classes and you know he's definitely driving smooth and consistent he preps his own car. And you know that's one of the keys winning championships is not having any failures in this year yet. He had no failures at all meant. Yeah 100% Well, we had ambra chimed in and said Rob learned the importance of hydration when he was so dehydrated it almost passed out of the way and you know what the the crazy part about that is is I don't think that that's a statement that should be taken lightly when we're at 2017 at the Lucas offroad race in Wheatland Missouri yeah there was guys dropping like flies I mean they're fit little kids 16 1718 years old some of them were just passing out because they were so dehydrated so me for instance like I had electrolytes and waters and all kinds of stuff and I would make sure that on a timely manner like almost a you know every couple hours that we were giving all of our crew members all the stuff to make sure that they stay hydrated. So it sounds like amber is as on your guys's Yeah, I can share that you guys are too Yeah, when I raced 1600 car, probably 2010 Barstow night race, and ended up having chance to win Overall, we were leaving overall starting last lap and a 1600 car there. But I had, I was always concerned about weight. And I carried no water no nothing and ended up stopping on the last lap to get water. But I got two bottles of water in there freezing cold. And I just slammed both of them. Well, the last lap, I ended up falling apart. Doctor should have done that. Yeah. And when I got to the finish line, you know, shut the car off and got out and I was standing there and I'm like, I started feeling dizzy. And I realized, you know what I done and ever since then I'm like, you know, I can't do that. And, you know, for me pay attention. You're exactly I mean, and you you can't you know a lot of people, they start right before the race and you got to start week long time. And and ultimately, like I'm my kids, the kids all laugh because I'm constantly telling them drink water. You know, when I say to me saying hello to them is the same thing as a lot of times I just say drink water, and they laugh like Shut up, shut up. But they they do we go through so much water in the house and, and but for me like this ball 1000 I got out and I'm not sore at all, you know, I'm even as I'm driving home, I'm like, wow, like, I'm fine. And I attribute a lot of that to one doing a lot you know and getting the right muscles you know that are prepped, helmet, weight neck, it's all it's all used to it but drinking water you know I what I do as I start drinking pee light, you know for this thousand way ahead probably two weeks before Pedialyte water p light water and there's some racers that actually do IVs Yep, I've done that as writer and post as well. And me being such a like I love fitness stuff. So I've competed in Iron Man before and done a lot of endurance activities and things like that. And I know firsthand that the hydration portion of it. I mean, like we would start weeks and months before making sure that your body had the right levels of hydration and even drinking stuff like alkaline water and all this stuff. It makes a huge difference. But I do think it's kind of funny that the kids are like, yeah, don't tell me what to do. Yeah, it's pretty neat that you guys are actually out there doing it, though. I'm glad to amber is actually on that. We'll call it the health. Right. So she keeps you guys in line. Absolutely. Let's see here. We got, we had a couple more questions come in as well. So are you still going to raise your course I think if you had the opportunity, you're gonna take that pro four and go show some dudes with us. Yeah, I mean, you know, there's definitely said a couple times the Midwest series, the core series back there. You know, they're, they're looking good back there. They've got a new group there that, you know, he's definitely got a lot of passion and they've got some good people on board. Do you know some of those people that are running that organ? Well, um, you know, so I've never met him, but there's a guy Carl and I'm not sure I'm gonna say his last name Carlos debicki. You know, he's part of the snowcross. And if you guys have seen snowcross on TV, yeah. And it's the same, same guy, same group. They're the ones that are running the Midwest series back there. That's who owns it. They've hired some pretty good people, Frankie Angelo's on on staff back there the series that Johnny Greaves kind of helps promote. Yep, Johnny, Johnny, there's a lot of good people back there, Johnny, Jeff Kincaid, you know, a lot of good input and I know they get decent truck turnouts, but they get phenomenal UTV turnout. Yeah. And spectators too. That's another thing you know, they they get a lot of people crammed in bark river er, you know, great, great spectator fan base back there and that's why I love going to CRAN so much, you know, because they're, they're fanatics back there. They know history about the racing they've been around the you know, people's into my, you hear he never goes out without notice that you got people that say, Hey, this is my 25th consecutive Crandon race, really stuff like that. So Got the addicts they traveled from around the country. So Alonzo and I have never been able to go out there. And I think that's on our bucket list for sure. Definitely go in anyone. Definitely go to fall Crandon check it out. Again. You know, I think there's big things in CRAN. And you got to there's some new news that came out Jamie Flannery now owns the CRAN and tract. Oh, I heard that the flanary family's always been a big part of it. And now, Jamie's taken over Jamie's been doing real well with his companies in his businesses, and he's, he's wanting to grow Crandon so I think there's good stuff going back there and um, for me racing short course you know, I I got plenty short course trucks here to race. Yeah. So if it fits in the schedule, I imagine here before the end of the year, we'll we'll you know, within obviously another week or two we'll figure out what we're doing next year and and what we're doing and and maybe there'll be short course involved there, too. It'll be really cool. And I know like, as far as what you guys are thinking like God, it would be awesome to see Rob out there. I'm on the same boat as you. I know. Alfonso is in the same boat. So we would all love to see him out there. Oh, here's a good question. Maybe we should ask your son this actually. Kevin macola says will Kaden be driving the trophy truck any in 2020? Well, he drove he drove Vegas to Reno. He got the last 90 miles in and he did pretty good. You know, at this point, we have any competition that was running them down? Well, yeah, we talked about that a little bit earlier. So about 100 miles from the finish line. We ended up I missed a G out hit it pretty hard. Knock the wind out of me and hurt my back. And, you know, I didn't. It was it was the bumps. were shaking my back and it was hurting. And I'm like, man, I started thinking myself, What am I gonna do? This really hurts and I'm going slow. And I think Caden can go faster, and I'm going. And so I thought all this to myself and I said to Kate, I go, are you ready? You're gonna drive and he goes, I can't drive and I go, you can go faster. I'm going so you're driving. And he said, Well, who's gonna ride and I said, Lucero, the crew chief. I'll call him Tell him to get ready. He'll get in with you. But I never told them when it anyone at the pit that I was the one getting out. So I think they all thought Caden was getting out in the chair was going to get in. So when he pulled in and stopped, I got out. Caden got in. Lucero got in and they took off. About that time I see the truck going away, I limp over towards the chase truck. And the number 38. Hugh said truck came through about 30 seconds behind Caden. I'm like, Oh, no, you know, now I you know, somebody is on his butt. And I got to tell him. So I start walking to the truck to radio to him to say, Hey, you got a trophy truck on him and I'm on you. And I said now, it'll be fine. Let it go. He'll figure it out. They got an error. So about a minute later, Andy McMillan comes through. And I'm like, Oh, shit. Hey, real quick. How old is Caden? So Cain just turned 18. There you go. Okay, so everybody's out there. Yeah, about a minute later, Andy came through and I'm like, Oh, shit. Now I really need to tell Caden? And I went and I thought to myself, and I'm like, and Vegas arena is not easy, right? No, it's it's high speed. And the second when he got in the next 30 miles was high speed. And then after you went through weeks, it got tighter and twists. You're in very rocky, as everyone knows, coming into the finish. And um, you know, as Andy went by, I said, Oh, I better go tell him I go, Ah, he'll figure it out. They'll be fine. So I got to the finish line. Um, so they're waiting, waiting, waiting. And pretty soon Caden, you knew a lot of you guys have seen the videos at the finish line of Vegas, Reno. It's a rolling Hill and people send it off that and as I'm sitting there, and all of a sudden Here comes Kaden over the hill and he kind of sends it and I'm like, Oh, shit. How did he know? Like he didn't never been here before. And I realized he's watched videos. Yeah, he knows me. Tell him what to do. He knew Vegas Reno over the finish line. It's straight Aaron out. So he airs it out. I'm like, Damn, where's Andy? And about a minute later, and he goes through and I'm like, wow. So anyways, Kaden did pretty damn good. I know. It was dusty. That's a bad thing. Right? You want to go into like, hey, I've warned my son and no, let him go like, yeah, so I don't know. I mean, right now, you know, Caden's moving up to the pro class and works. We don't know what our schedule is. It'd be great if he could ride with me. And we had hoped that he was going to ride with me at the bar 1000 but he had worked schedule the same weekend so we wasn't able to do that. So we'd like to get him some more riding time and and then more more seat time in the razors. I know he wants to jump right in that trophy truck and oh, I'm sure get right to the top. Yeah, who wouldn't like to jump in a trophy truck right. But yeah, that would be pretty cool. Kevin to see. To see him drive a trophy truck right when I watch Caden that those races man he was really actually wheeling those cars pretty good. gyms in Nashville. What's your favorite American food? American food? Oh American fast food he said fast food. So I know Jimbo this question. I'm trying to think he's trying to give you a might try to be reminded me something. Is this like an inside scoop? Maybe? Maybe? But uh, well, I'll answer this one for myself then. So Jim, my favorite food is tacos. But if I have to if I ultimately have to, I do like jack in the box tacos. They're like, they're the last on the taco list. But yeah, especially compared to Baja, right. Yeah. Wait, maybe he's saying that because he knows that how good the tacos are down there and blah. Yeah, yeah. So he's trying to get us a hi amber Avila. Hi Robin Katherine and that came from Jeff law drinker. I think Jeff's Jeff's one of our chase guys. Oh, right. Oh, yeah. So Jeff did a heck of a job down there. He did him and his group I always call them. We have the Jeff Lawson good group, which I he's like the main guy for three or four chase trucks. And I always work with Jeff and then he works with the the other guys but Jeff, Jeff and his two other chase trucks they did. They took care of the Pacific side for us. Oh, cool. And they chased, you know, up and down Highway one. And then Jeff ended up having the lucky tassel using San Telmo road, which goes up to Mountain Ranch in El coyote and affinia. If you don't know what San Telmo road is it's a very twisty tight narrow road that seems like it goes on forever. very skinny, very, very sketchy and a lot of stuff So Jeff ends up getting sent up to the most difficult places with his group so it's so what do you when you're doing all these things? These were I don't know what you want to call it strategy for the pits and for the chasing? Are there straws short straws long straw? Or do you just position people whether you think they're gonna be good at Well, I pretty much you know, as Jeff's the the the lead in that group, and I got a lot of faith and trust in him. I usually give him the most difficult side of his group. And then I have another group of three or four chase strux that I call the Tony barraza group. Oh, or Tony has TBD designs, but Tony's been around helping us for a long time been off in off roading. So Tony gets the difficult sections in the other side. So usually, he's the guy you know, that that place that's way far out there that sound is exactly so I always send Tony in there I gave him a task that was a almost an impossible one this time and it was a to send him into the top a CT or Molina which the access road I don't even know how might have been 30 miles in and I don't even know if it was passable. Really, Tony just tried to go there, figure it out, figure it out in and that was his last spot that he had to hit. But um, he had two other chase trucks, they did everything down by San Felipe Bay. So they all hit two or three spots. I always think about it like I'm like, I would just like to go down there and chase. I mean, racing would be cool, obviously. But going down and chasing seems like it'd be a hell of a lot. No, absolutely. And um, you know, for me, you talked about strategy a little bit. And, you know, like I said, it targets 365 days in advance. And then when the map comes out, and it continually goes, and I have to figure out, you know, how many keystrokes do I have? Who are they? Where are they going? You know, where did I send them last time because sometimes I'll switch if the last hundred groups on the Pacific side this time. And maybe I'll switch them next time. So they get to see stuff different, but it's a whole thought process planning. Can they make it, but it probably gets easier when you understand the team that you have? Yeah, it does. And that's why these guys have been with us for a long time and they want to win just as bad as we do. Jeff is always you know it not only Jeff but other people are always putting their two cents and trying to help me figure out strategies to win and stuff like that. Yeah, Mike Gilson chimed in man. He's jumping all over the place. He was on YouTube for a little bit. Now he's on Facebook, but he says that we hope to you and while he's talking to Amber, but hopes you and Rob and the family have a great Christmas in New Year. So yeah, we want to say that to everybody else that's watching Rob show, to have a great Christmas and New Year's to because everybody's going to be able to spend a little bit more time with their family. Robert Blanton give you the hang loose scientists. Right on, Robert. Yeah, it's good to see you, Rob. Thank you very much for chiming in. Don Haugen, he has a son that races in the pro turbo class in short course, will Lucas, but so they're probably going to have to find another avenue to react. He says, Rob, do you think short course series will ever come back in the southwest? Well, I certainly hope so. I think, you know, this is an opportunity. You know, I think we all know, with Lucas Oil, you know, I don't know, it's just seemed like it was getting maybe a little bit stale or something, there just need to be some change there. Maybe this is that opportunity for change. Hopefully someone steps up or a new entity steps up and gets get short course racing going on going again out here. Um, there's also hope that the Midwest group guys, you know, that they, they end up moving out this way more. And, you know, we always talked and I never really, I never really supported too much that, you know, when we had two series, we had the West and the Midwest that it should always be one, right? I never thought so much that it needs to be that way. I think, short course racing and most off road racing, it's kind of it really is regional, it works for you, you know, in the people in the Midwest. Now, this is an analogy that I would always use if the West series went away, which it has now, how many of these people that race here will go race the Midwest series? Right. And to me, I believe it's for sure. Less than 20% of them? Oh, I was. Right. I mean, I don't think it's very much at all. And likewise, if the Midwest series went away, how many of those would come out here and race? Probably about the same? Yeah. So with that being said, What's wrong with two series saying, I know there's arguments both ways, but you got the Crandon collaboration of exotic going stuff. So hopes are maybe somebody could get something started up out here. I've heard small rumors, there's definitely great tracks that exist out here on the west still, like you said, too. So I was thinking about this after you told me because you said well, George, there's a there's other places for people to go like there's other series for people to go like you just said AZ op and desert racing series or textbooks or all these different places, right, but back if we backtrack a little bit The Mickey Thompson series in the stadiums wasn't anything like what the Lucas Roberts was right now, all of it grew and pivoted during those times. Right. So this is just another one of those situations where the racing, you know, I don't know, family needs to be able to move into adapt to the news, new things that are happening. Yeah, hopefully, you know, it really, this whole COVID thing's got everybody kind of in a, I don't know, a holding pattern, almost like not knowing what to do. But I wish that wasn't around because I think something would come up quickly. But, um, you know, I definitely think there's a void to fill and hopefully, there's someone out there that will do it. Um, there's been little talk here and there, nothing that's that, that I've heard. That's, that's for sure happening. But um, you know, I, I hope something happens and don't give up and keep a good, let's keep all you know, hoping that things work out. And, you know, I wouldn't hesitate to go back to the Midwest, erase some of those just to keep stuff going. You know, I'll take these trucks that we just put on screen right, exactly. Yeah, I might be taking them back there and running a little bit because if you never raced in the Midwest, that dirt looks it's it's really good. You know, all those tracks that are back there. They're they're even, they're opening openers at a town back there in Wisconsin called anago. And we used to race back there and it's in a, it's in a big dirt track. Like it has grandstands covered grandstands, the the parking will be on asphalt and grass. That's a great value. They haven't raced there in a lot of years. But they're going back they put that on their schedules. So that sounds it is absolutely and that's what the old soda and the old car had, they had a lot of, you know, dirt ovals where they build jumps down the front, straight, the back straight. And ago, when I last time I raced there was in the 90s that we went or 2001 probably went outside, jumped out of the oval and then back into the Oval is really neat. And you know, la Coliseum motorcross back in the day, like in the stands and stuff, I would say don't hesitate if you can go back there and do some racing and then let's support them and let's help them grow and see where it goes. see where it goes. You know, we have tracks out here. And you know, I know there's been talked about I don't think you know it's pretty, pretty big step there. But there's always been talking I've always saying hey, you know you guys need to come out here and race and now with Lucas not racing in these tracks. It opens it up for and I'm being a little bit hopeful here a little bit wishful. It opens up for the Midwest series to come here and go to Reno or go to Glen Helen, or go to Kansas back still. Yes. And then go to Wheatland and I think you know if I had my two cents in there. I think the Midwest series should be going to Wheatland Yeah, next year 2021. Because Wheatland is badass track. That facility is phenomenal. And the fans are crazy. That's the other thing about the Midwest, whether it's Missouri, whether it's Crandon Michigan, you know bark river any any place back there the fans are we were just a little UTV team and I almost missed my qualifying or practice because so many people were talking to us out there Missouri, man, it was awesome. Yep. It was cool to see. So bucket list for me would have been I really want to go to Crandon obviously because it's such a phenomenal event but er x looks sweet. Yep, I definitely wanted to go there. Wheatland was an awesome track. And now it sounds like the track that you're talking about that you jump in and out of the circle track or whatever it is. would be a super cool place to go to. Yep, and bark river is one we haven't talked about. That's an awesome track to where it's in the up up. Upper Peninsula Michigan. Oh really? Yep. That's a pretty cool track. It's absolutely a great track is was that the one with the split lanes was still on the the Midwest course. Yeah, so er x, I believe has split lane. Bark river has the mound. There's basically a mount mountain that mound that separates the two halves the tracks, and the grandstands are on the mound but the trucks and when they're close to the grandstand, they turn over the mound and they jump kind of sideways Oh yeah, the other way when they come back over they got a jump you've pretty much jumped anywhere from 150 to 200 feet. I remember that that that is a bark river that thing that tracks looks cool. Alright, so Kevin macola chimed in again and said What was your favorite or most favorite or most challenging as a driver short course class you've ever raced? So I'm thinking he's talking about me pro four pro two buggies? Yeah. Yeah. So um, you know, pro fours pretty challenging, especially in the current state that it is with all the different front differentials, the transmissions and just, you know, the open rules and trying to figure out, you know, what type of rear suspension should you have on it? And what type of front differential should you have in transmission and stuff like that? So I think proform was very challenging here in the Huggies because Kevin Yeah, yeah, but buggies were buggies were good. Hey, you told me a story earlier about the buggy stuff like how it started and they didn't want you to race the pro buggy class. Yeah, so I you know, a lot of people don't know I never raced out I wrote buggy and short course. Until 2007, I raced trucks in Mickey Thompson and then soda core. Right. And, and then, in 2001, they made that the old pro four that we talked about earlier, they made that truck illegal. So I got out of short course racing in 2001. By this will Yeah, hiatus and, you know, I missed it. I paid attention I watched. But I was just dabbling, doing desert racing with different people and stuff like that. But uh, about in 2006, I started working with john Cooley on building a alumacraft. Pre runner for me. And as I was visiting him talking on the phone, I'm like, john, you should build one of those super buggies. You know, you should do that. He goes, I don't have time for that. I got too much stuff going. And he in talking, he kept saying, Well, why do you think I should I go, because all the cars that are racing super buggy, right now. They're older Mickey Thompson cars, and I don't think that's the right car. They need up they need to update them. They need more wheelbase, you know, they need some different stuff. So as time went on, every once we'd say so should it be a arm or a beam? And should it be this or should it be that? And one day, he called me he said, Hey, next time you're in the neighborhood combined, check it out. I'm building the super buggy. And I'm like, Really? So I went checked it out. And I'm like, I talked to my buddy in Vegas, Larry job. And I'm like, hey, and I took pictures. And I said, Larry, check it out. He's building these cars. And I go, I think I'm gonna get one. And he Larry ordered one too. And I ordered one and I for the 2007 season. I'm gonna get back involved in short course. In drive super buggy. And at that time, early 2007. I got a phone call from Steve Barlow, who campaign pro to sponsored by Red Bull in the in the core series. And he said, Hey, are you interested in driving my pro to next year? In 2007? I'm like, heck yeah, I've been you know, it's funny you asked and funny you call because I really want to get back in short course racing. I ordered a pro buggy. Well, at that time, they were called Super buggy. I ordered a buggy, and I want to do it i goes into problem if I race both, you know, we let me race your pro two. And I raced the buggy two. He goes, Yeah, as long as you can do and it doesn't interrupt with anything. So I was right, right on. I'm back in racing short course. And I happen to be down in Baja. And I found out that my i'd sent in my super buggy entry before I went to Baja. And when I was down there, I got a phone call and said, Hey, core, Jim Baldwin denied your entry into super buggy? Oh, sure. Like, what were you talking about? I've got money invested in this car. It's almost done. I'm going rate I, you gotta be kidding me. Like, he's telling me I can't race and they're telling me I can't race and I'm like, why can't I race? They said, well, you're you're a pro driver. You can't race super buggy. And I'm like, Are you kidding me? Like, I'm thinking of this investment that I've already been spending and like, how am I gonna get my money back? So I ended up with that you want to race it? And I wanted to race so I ended up calling, trying to get ahold of Jim Baldwin called his office said, I need to talk to him. He said he, he's busy right now. And I said, No, I'm in Mexico. I want to talk to him right now. So they had to get him on the phone. And he told me, he goes like, Look, I don't want your race in the buggy class. I want you to race it in the pro two. And he kept telling me and says he laughed about the buggy and you don't want to race the buggy Robin. I'm like, No, I do. And he goes, you just park the buggy, sell the buggy and race pro two. And I go, how about this? I go, take me off the pro two lists. I'm racing my super buggy. He goes, you don't want to do that. I go. I go take me off pro two. Yeah, take me off pro two. I go, I'm not he was we need you. I go. I'm not doing it. hung up the phone. A day later, he called back and goes, I gotta figure it out. I'm going to change the name to pro buggy. So perfect. So that's how super buggy became pro buggy. And from that time on alumacraft started building cars. And that's awesome. And start conversations come up and you're like, shit, man, we've paved a little bit of a way for some of these classes. Yeah, there's a few of them the the pro for the track with rule the super buggy, pro buggy thing. There's a couple others so I feel like those are so such cool stories, though. I mean, it gives so much validity to the the classes nowadays that race. Yeah, what I mean, like, obviously, Kevin races in class now. So it's pretty cool for him to see. Hey, guys, we're gonna answer a couple more your comments, and then we're gonna take a quick commercial break. So let's see here. So Well, how about this? So this isn't actually a question, but Brian Hawkins said I bet chasing as much easier in non COVID times. I don't know. I mean, Jason Jason. Well, yeah. You know, I guess the biggest problem we had is people, you know, I was probably only had maybe two thirds of the people that we normally have in Baja had a lot of them that couldn't get off work or, or, you know, whatever chance Yeah, they had the stipulations from their, their employer that wouldn't allow them if they went to bother, they come home have to cortino pay, there was all kinds of things like that, which is all understandable. So for us, you know, is definitely, you know, for me a lot of stress going on before figuring out if I had people and then also I didn't feel right, you know, begging people to go you know, at this time, it's like, you know, you either want to go or not and I put it out there and I respect your opinion if you don't want to go to boss so you know, chasing ultimately, you know, I think We had a good plan good time good people and successful race. Everybody came home safe. Nobody was, you know, there's no no problems. Nobody that I know of got sick from baja or anything. Maybe chasing isn't more difficult. It's just different. Yeah. Weren't there for a little different a, Tyrone Robinson said, Well, your body recovers pretty quick. But how long is your body recover recovery after 1000? Well, what I can tell you so after the ball 1000 I thought great. Then I went to help my son for one day, when he raced three times on Sunday, and on Monday I was worn out feet so he rates three times it's pretty much that mean if you had gotten in the seat and raced on that at the works races you would have been better off than walk Probably. Probably Yeah, I find I do a lot of timing I'm as I'm as spotter. I'm as I'm as pit crew guy. And so I ended up walking from basically there's an example I walked to the spotter stand, and I walked to the other side so I could time him and then I walked to the hot pit. So if he has a problem, I can be there and then I walk. So I do that he basically does five laps and I make that big circle. So I need to get a so what we need to figure out is some of these guys that said they want to help you in Baja, let's go take them to the works, right? Well, little bit more for I need help in Baja. But my son needs help at work. So let's get some of you guys to help Rob down in Baja. And then when the kids come the kids can come help with Kayden as well. Okay, so a couple more questions, then we're gonna take a commercial break. Jim's inside McDonald's. That was the answer. Yeah. So I've never ate their three meals in a row. Never ever. Well in Wisconsin. I did. Yeah. I feel like you have to sometimes right traveling is just makes you eat so much different stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And don don Haugen chimed in again said what, George, you've never been the fall Crandon? Yeah, unfortunately, I have in mind, and that is definitely a bucket list. He said, it's hands down the best short course race or event in the world to attend. They're going to be running the Midwest. So they're a UTV team. And it sounds like they're going to be running the Midwest series works and textbooks, so might be sprinkling around a little bit. I don't know if any of those races is going to overlap. But, man, that sounds like they got a good plan. Yeah, that's that's a that's a good plan. It's a lot of races to textbooks. I think there's, there's 10 in their series, one a month, and then they have that 12 hour race in December. Yeah, that 12 hour race seems like it'd be a kind of a cool, right. Yeah, that's a kick. Is does Kayden ever want to do any of those? He wants to do everything? Yeah, so he's, he's, uh, he's he was? Yeah, I haven't heard anything just lately. But I didn't realize I think there are they doing a 12 hour race this year to in two weeks in two weeks. Yeah. So I thought it was only next year, but I realized that doing it again, they're doing it this year as well in two weeks. So I think that's the first annual Maybe, yeah, I'm not sure. But the cool part about the textbooks is you and I talked about it earlier. And I know a lot of these guys know about it. And Don, you might want to change all your plans, knowing that they're gonna have a I think it's almost a 70 or$80,000 payout for the normally aspirated class and the pro turbo class. So, man, that's phenomenal that they're doing that. Can my profile race? Just joking. We got to get Dude, you can bring the family wagon. We talked about this. Yeah. Go get those Miller boys run for their money. Rob, can you explain what a G out is? And that's from our or Ortega? Alberto. Yeah. So um, so the road that we were on was a gas line road and imagine it's like a roller coaster. So it had basically, I think I was I was planning that they were just down, up, down, up and they were separated. Yeah, they were smooth. There was kind of a rhythm going. And for some reason, I don't know how I missed it. But it was a it went down a little bit up, down and then big up and we basically flew as we went down and went up the little up. I was ready to go up up except it went down. So we took off and landed in the face of the last one. And yeah, and in the trophy truck. It basically it landed on it hits so hard. It landed on the front skid plate and a bent the two tubes hole in really and it bent those two tubes in and they had to get cut out and replaced before. Before the 500 it was that no yeah. And then the fuel cell. There's a skid pan under the fuel cell on the back and it it compressed so hard in the front. Then it slapped the back down and it bent tubes in the back of the truck underneath the fuel. So Holy smokes. But the well, your back didn't fare so well. The truck was able to complete Yeah, yeah, it just bent some tubes and the steering nut forgot about that the steering was kicked sideways, too. And I don't remember exactly why that happened. I think it I don't remember why that was what was bent there. That's but it's not Ziering out too. So just compressing my back, knock the wind out of me. And, you know, ultimately the jarring you could imagine once your back was was damaged, the charring was basically shooting pins and needles. So to even go a little bit further with this answer. Have you ever felt down backwards? Like if you're roller skating and you fall on your tailbone and you get that compression like that sharp pain that was probably similar what Rob was feeling is back afterwards. How Rob always assigns My chase pits near the best taco stands and that was Tony. Well, yeah, Tony's Tony barraza pretty soon to be coming out with his own book of all the restaurants in Baja to go check out because send me one. Tony's gonna do that, like I keep the I brainstorm with ideas and somebody that's one of the things somebody needs to come up with the the Baja five Bob and Tony, we always laugh because, you know his his reason for going to baja isn't to chase it's to go eat and hey, Tony, I kind of feel like I get along with this guy. No, he's awesome. He knows where all the good taco stands are and, and he's always doing that so we have a lot of good fun. I've known him for a long time and um, you know, always always razz him and give him the most difficult places to go. I just became best friends with him. Yeah, he's up for the task. So special ad says Lake Havasu always welcomes off road always welcomes off road racers. And we know that by the UTV World Championship, did Kaden get to do the UTV? No, he didn't and that's the thing. You know, right now, he only has the one RS one and he was one week after the UTV World Championships was worth life. And, you know, we just weren't prepared, so we need to you know, Caden's got a little bit of support from Polaris, and we need to get him some more cars and get him doing more stuff. So we're gonna have our buddy Craig Scanlon a call over here. Yeah, yeah. Well, Jamie Campbell, uh, also one of the guys that did very well in Baja, he chimed in, said, Rob, what's your favorite soft drink? lol? Could it be Mountain Dew? Yeah, we got some mountain dew. Oh, I got one for you. Have you ever had a white man's Margarita? No, I don't think so. Tequila and Mountain Dew. Oh, yeah. So we usually mix it with patrone. And yeah, Diet Mountain Dew, but dude, they're phenomenal. They'll blow your mind. Congratulations to Jamie on a pretty awesome deal. If you guys don't know, Jamie owns Roscoe and they built a Honda and ended up winning their class and almost winning overall. That's phenomenal. They won overall, but they got a little penalty. I know how that goes. Yeah, man. I I still could when I was like thinking about it like a couple days later, after I saw the news. First of all, I think that it's awesome to have the we talked manufacturer competition now in the UTV class. So you have all the different manufacturers Honda Yamaha Kawasaki, Polaris and Kangnam it. That's five different manufacturers, you know, like, even in NASCAR, they don't have five. Yeah. And that's, you know, to me, off road racing, whether it's utvs or or trucks, whatever it is, it needs manufacturer involvement in 100%. And when off road racing was the best that ever was. It's when it had manufacturer involvement back in the late 80s. Early 90s. Like Roger Mears Exactly, yeah, Nissan, you'd had, you know yet Ford, Dodge, Toyota, you had all those guys involved in, you know, like, exactly Jeff Jeffrey just got done real in the dose. I raced factory Jeep in for Walker Evans in 8889. And 90 Yep. And those were the best times and ultimately, that's that's what UTV has going for it right now is they have manufacturers that are involved in in every series we need to get in keep getting them involved, whether it's works or whatever it can be keep getting them involved in it'll make make the world go round racing world go round even better. So I couldn't agree more. Tyrone Robinson said Mickey Thompson at the LA Coliseum was epic. Absolutely. I missed those days. And you know I was if any you guys don't don't remember, la Coliseum was pretty badass because we raced on the floor where the football field was but then also like the arches, they would take the grandstands out they put dirt over the steps and then we would run up the up the steps where the stands would normally be in jump up through the arches go out do a U turn and then come back in and yeah to give you guys a visual what that looks like when you're going up the up the steps. You look up all you're seeing is the top of the arch. So you're basically aiming to stay in between the two walls which really only about they might have been 15 feet wide total. It didn't look like that wide but that's about how wide they were. So you had to aim for that and jump through there anytime that you had to like be with another guy. No, I mean, if you tried to go through side by side you somebody was going to hit the wall. Yeah, so those were incredible times Mickey Thompson Entertainment Group running incredible. I remember when I was a little kid and I first saw those races even the dirt bike guys when they do it, too. I was like, Oh my god, like how are these guys even like, what can they see when they do it and then coming back down into the stadium must have been super cool because you got to come back down and maybe there stands are fans on the side and come back into the lights. You when you came back in you could see the grandstands on the other side of the football field but you couldn't see the football field so you're like over Sunday. Yeah, you could flatland it too. You need to check up. ever run lpu you have run Elk River. Have you ever run Elk River Motorsports Park? No, I've never been there. No, I've never I've seen it on TV. So I everything I know about er X's from TV looks like a great place. It really does. Yeah. And I think that's the one I was talking about the split lanes. Yeah, they have split lanes. Yeah. So Tyrone Robinson Yeah, the jumps between the torch was bad at the LA Coliseum. That was man. Uh, that's demolition derby I ever saw was antigo fairgrounds. Yeah. anago Yep, that's where they're going back so anago anago Yep. anago as you know, a lot of times the Midwest maybe you get some rain so I think maybe what he's talking about could be either they did have a crash and burn stuff there or it's the mud races where you're sliding or slipping and sliding crashing into each other. So we were talking about this earlier to like, you always want to see the guy when but a lot of people go out there and see the guy's crazy. Yeah, absolutely. And that's why I think short course is well, I won't say was is always so good is because it's basically MMA with a car, a truck, right, because you're sliding, you're bashing into each other. I mean, even the UTV guys do it, too. It's, it's gnarly. Man. I love seeing that stuff. Brian forester commented in San Lucas should do a one race season. One race this season at the Wheatland race, just like UTV worlds function. That would actually be kind of cool. But you you already get so many people saying this is the UTV championship like it would just be another UTV championship. Yeah. Whelan's a incredible facility. Great track there. And, you know, I thought, you know, it's possible and I thought they were actually going to try to do that run. Like out here on the west. We had regionals. I know when they could run regionals. You know how easy Yeah, races there. And it's a big enough property, big enough track, they could even change up the track and have the Midwest guys go there. Yeah, I think they should. I mean, as soon as I heard, you know, as soon as Lucas shut the doors, I, I was ready to get on the phone. I know, they already I know that some of the players back there. And I know it's, you know, they thought of it too. I wasn't the only one that thought about that. But you bring up a good point, though. Because like people that are like, Oh, this series is done. But the tracks aren't done. Tracks are still open. In fact, I heard the other day. And Brian Forster was the one that told me this. He said that Jared Brooks is going to have a just little kids. Yeah, come out. And he's going to teach a little kids how to drive at Glen Hill. And so he's going to start doing little classes and stuff because he knows that the tracks are still open. He wants to get his tie. Absolutely. Absolutely. In those things. They need to keep happening. You know, maybe, you know, you brought Glen Helen up and back in the day. And I don't even know how long ago 1520 years ago, Glen Helen used to have short course style races there. They ran. You know, I don't know if they ran once a month. Yeah, well, no, not the same track that they had. It was more over where the motocross guys run, okay. And they kind of had an off a little bit of an off road track. They're kind of like the work strap but not that tight. And they ran over there. They had a series I don't know how many races it was. I never raced it any. But you know that? I would assume they had four or 567 race series. And they had different classes, 516 hundred 1600 buggies by class 10s. They had stuff going there. And that's what we eat. Maybe Glen Helen could start doing that again. That would be super good. And there's so many opportunities, like when we talk about all this stuff, and everybody's like, oh, what should we do? Well, everybody should get out there and start doing stuff so that it can all fall into place because one of these things when you throw a bunch of what do they say throw a bunch of stuff at the wall. Something's gonna stay you know, I'll remind you when core in tooth when the economy went away and oh, a core went away. Yeah, what happened in Oh, nine we had Tony vanilla and Lucas Oil and we had Ricky Johnson and torque popped up very next year. And maybe that's what can happen. So I yeah, I have high hopes for this. Uh, yeah, gyms instead. Short Course buggy dork. Good times. Yeah, Jimbo, Jimbo was my crew chief. Yeah, so yeah, so you're doing the buggies? Yep. The very my second year. I ended up in 2007. I raced for C Barlow, and in my own super buggy turned pro buggy and then a no eight. I went to drive super pro buggy. Yeah, super pro buggy. I went to drive for Menzies and Jimbo was uh, he was the crew chief on the pro buggies for myself and Larry job at Menzies. Oh, demand on Huggins chiming in again. He says, I have been on the fence to get his son chance pro two, or a pro four. Would this be a good time to pick one, I think you'd probably get a good deal on one of them because some of the teams would be wanting to get out of them. But it depends on the level of effort that you want to put in because I think the Midwest is about the only place you can go Yeah, call me. Hey, I got plenty. I got two pro twos. And one one current pro four. And we definitely know that those trucks are good. So here, why don't we do this? We'll show them. We'll do a little sales pitch. So 32nd sales pitch. You see these trucks right here. All you got to do is shine them up a little bit and they're ready to go. Clean one owners lots of spare parts. There's lots of spare parts wife's wife's bike never raced. Yeah. Now they're good. The Pro four is actually fully prepped, it's fresh pilot ready to race. The Pro two was fresh, prepped and race Crandon. Yeah, those things are really cool down to like we got to check them out a little bit today. So chance would get a good a good truck if he wanted one of those bad boys. Alright, so let's see here. We got to go through these comments real quick because I got takeaways. 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Yeah, we're running hundreds of vehicles now running them, whether it's a UTV or some guys got in a backpack and was motocross he's got everything he needs to make a fix right there on the fly out on the trail. Or in the desert, whatever it is what since I've already used when I kind of know what to use it for, but explain what it does. Alright, so let's pull one out real quick. You've got your aluminum rods remember their rods, right so you know light torch, small torch, you can throw it in there or throw it on the rig with your flux. It decontaminates and cleans, like let's say a radiator, you get a random rock chip runs through. As you're racing. You get a rock chip and radiator you got to fix it right there. You're out of the race so you can patch it up and patch it up. I'm good to go. Yep, just like welding. Yeah, also as well with that you've got a brake line fix. So with your flux, you can fix a brake line stainless steel, steel, and then your hot lock heat absorption party. So yes, you from getting burned. Number one as well as keeps the heat from traveling. So it's really, really not used. It's not even fixing anything. So it's that stuff works. So good, man. Listen, it's easy. It's it straps in nicely so that you have everything you need in one little place. And you don't have to carry a big bag and it's like a first aid kit for your vehicle. Yeah, Chase trucks have it as well so that, you know if they need to make a fix on the fly, they can get it done and get it done quick and get you back in the race. do those things are so cool. All right. So at solder weld on Instagram, Facebook and sowell.com. Awesome. Alright. Thanks, bud. Appreciate it. Yeah, guys, thanks for joining us Episode 66 of The Dirt Life Show. We really appreciate you guys hanging out with us tonight. That's a little late in Arizona. I know it's 730 here in California, but we still have Rob Mac with us. So thank you very much, Rob for letting us come to the shop and hang out. So like I said Episode 66. I'm Georgie Hamill. So we'll get right back into it man. We had some some coffee. Come in but we just we couldn't get to them because there's too many of them but they need an off road segway. Well actually Tyrone they do have an off road segway now they have a Segway came out with a UTV Did you see that? Rob? No, I didn't. Yes, the Segway has a UTV Oh no. Oh nice, pretty crazy, right? Yeah, absolutely. So one of the things I was thinking is that Nicola also has a say way, or excuse me, a side by side. One of the things that I was thinking is those things are phenomenal horsepower, because I have the electric engines and stuff. It'd be pretty cool to see those things get to the ability where they have some sort of quick removable battery and even if they had to, in a 500 mile race stop every hundred miles or so if they could actually do that. I think I'm pretty cool to see something like that. Yeah, you figure. It's only a matter of time. Yeah. Then the amount of power and torque and things that those guys have is crazy. Yeah, Don Haugen, chimed in again, Don. I'm going to skip this one for a little bit because that's a about chance Valley t taco stand is what Mike monta said. Do you have a good tacos? Absolutely. That's lately that's been the best tacos and all about I think so. I just need to go down there and hang out with with your guys crew and go chill with those guys. What about the Imperial Valley? 250 pole story? Yeah, that that didn't work out. So well. What is that? So you have a rally? Yeah, no, I hit the I hit the pole. I didn't get the pole. I hit the ball. I saw that. Yeah. What was that sticking out of the dust? Yeah, so I guess it's an old bombing range, that area. And it's a pole that what I was told was that's a pole that used to have something that they used to try to hit. And it was right at the beginning of the race and i i think that was the second or third year that they ran a score ran a race there. The first year or two. I didn't race my truck. I had Andy McMillan drive it because I had short course. So I raced the short horse race and then Andy did the trophy truck there. So the third time I was able to go there. Yeah, yes. So the second or third time they had it I was able to be there and ended up I think I battled beat. It was BJ Baldwin. I went off the line with him. I got him out of the infield. He I think he passed me in the infield right off the start. And then I was right on him. I was in the dust. And the course had a little kink in it but that pole was to the left and I ended up just hitting a dead on straight and took out the left upper arm and sway bar link and we were done. No no. Didn't get hurt but basically took the the truck out of the race. That was a seems like such a bad deal that pull out of the ground. Right? Well, I guess hindsight is 2020 Yeah, I took it out. You should charge more for that. Yeah. Jeff angel said evening boys tacos and Yep. We always talk about tacos on the show. Right? Maybe she leads called taco life instead of the dirt life. With Wisconsin still has the best fresh cheese curds Dave Clark will agree. I don't know is Dave Clark, one of your crew too. Yeah. Dave, Dave Clark was one that helped build that. The knife rank truck. They said that you said that before Dave, Dave and I. We met he worked at Venable racing. He built trucks for Venable. He built he and I built one of the Mickey Thompson stadium trucks that I raised then they built this truck they also built if you guys remember the single seat trophy truck that I drove in, I believe that was 1996 they built that David and not hands on some pretty good truck. Yeah, not and Dave also built the first Pro Tools first two Pro Tools that menzi had One for me and one for Bryce and I still own own that truck as well. Dave built those solos trophy truck, and he likes cheese curds. And he likes cheese cheese curds are delicious man. Is baja fools tried top going to be on there. I don't know what that means. So I'm suspecting that means try tip isn't and yeah, the joke is last year's baja 400. I had a little bit of a break issue and spend a little bit of extra time in the pit. And I asked him if they had anything to eat and they had tried tips so they fed me try tip in the hit yes. And then this bah bah bah 1000. Same thing happened. Those guys that that are for the baffles guys that are from Northern California bring tri tip down. And they had tried tip for me this year when I got out of the truck at Mike's road at mile 422. So I tried tip this year ball 1000 is a tradition. Oh absolutely. It's so good that I've created a tradition. So now the ball fools they have tried tip in their pit. Oh my gosh, that's awesome. They tried feeding me ribs this year to at mile 740 right before I got back in the truck about 1am in the morning and I'm like, man, I better wait. I already had tri tip. That's pretty awesome. Jeff wolf commented in saying hey Rob, do you remember my uncle Terry wolf? Who was the president of so yeah, soda? Yeah, I grew up watching you're watching your race. Now. I raised the light 1600 buggy in the car series. The Ford roughriders were awesome. Yep, I remember him. Good people. Yeah, that's actually pretty cool. It's neat to go down memory lane with some of these guys right cuz I know a daily basis I'm sure like, I don't think about a lot of stuff in my life. I'm sure that some of this stuff is thinking like, oh, wow, triggered a couple memories, right? Yeah. And why he built the AWT class? class one buggy. And that was from Braden Lopez. I don't know what that is. Yeah. You know what that is? Oh, so that's nice night, but yes, I built the all wheel drive class. Well, not okay. Yep. Nice. Nice. Frank. And Dave Clark built the all wheel drive. Class one buggy for Riviera racing. It was a single seater. I think. I don't think that was the right car. I was thinking they nicknamed it the headshot. But I think that was another one of the Riviera buggies but yeah, so your car. It was a it was a great car didn't have a lot of success. I think it was a race or two. I actually I think Robby Gordon actually won a best and desert race with it. And then that car went away. And then nigh Frank, they the next all wheel drive thing they built that was so that truck was that buggy was probably built in the early 2000s. Wow, that was and then yeah, and then they also built an all wheel drive trophy truck for Dell Don Dell that he won. At least one race with I think he wanted Loughlin with it. So now I was someone who was, you know, you'd say it was ahead of his time, he built some stuff for Mickey Thompson land speed record cars. He also built a was part of the crew that build some drag race cars, as well. So talking about these cars, do you have one that stands out the most in your? Well, let's look call it 20 years or so. Yes. So for me, the pro four that I have here that that that a older the old one that has it knife, Frank, that that one stands out for me because it was pretty neat. The front steering geometry, the suspension geometry on that was was pretty innovative at the time and have an air shocks on it and the right height that kind of set some standards and stuff that we did and had some unique stuff on it. So that truck for me is it's really the only old race vehicle that I have anymore. Everything else is something that's newer, but that truck was pretty cool. We put a lot of, you know, heart and soul on that truck over the years back when we raced it and it was still looks badass. But it had such a good lifespan too. Yes. As a competitive winning truck. Yeah, it did really well. Yes, that's what about like a one of the first card like let's just say it was your first 10 years of racing was your first favorite. Yeah. So when I first started racing, we ended up my dad was in a general contractor in Las Vegas, and he raced in the early 70s. In the early 80s. He approached me and said, Hey, you want to you want to try racing off road? And I said, Uh, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I was into sports, basketball, baseball, stuff like that. And so he who is a thought though, yeah, I had no idea. I mean, I raced motorcycles when I was little. And then you know, and I had no aspiration. I wasn't reaching out to do off road and at the time, and he ended up building a commercial building for himself and rented out some spaces. Within that building and a company from Tucson, Arizona, called off road buggy supply came and read in from him. I like, yeah, so they sold off road parts. And my dad ended up, you know, coming from coming into his office one day, and the guy that owned the business said, Hey, Bob, I'm moving. I'm out of here. I'm closing down the shop, and I'm going to be out by the end of the month, my dad said, Hey, I'm sorry to hear that. And about 10 minutes later, the guy came up to him and said, came up to his office and said, Why don't you just buy all this by the store for me, so I don't have to pack it up and leave it so they made a deal. I had a job. I was probably 14 years old. Now after school I went in, had a job selling VW parts. And that turned into my dad going over to Butch Jean Pat Dean's dad, who was right around the corner on Valley performance and ran cars for Collins and herps. And some other people like that. And my dad introduced himself to Butch and said, Hey, I bought the store over here. So they became partners in the buggy shop. And from there, that's when my dad said at 16 you want to try off road racing. We ended up buying an old high jumper single seater that was owned by a guy by the name of Bob querque who's his sons Billy and Robbie Gorky. They ran Collins Motorsports and now they run class one buggy for Brandon gone. Oh, yes. And Jake gone. So you know, we end up buying that car and I started in high jumper. Kevin Gunderson is somebody that some people know old school guys know he ended up renting them. He was renting a place. So Kevin Gunderson was renting one of the places in my dad's building, and he was building baja bugs and then up in the tandem class one buggy and stuff like that. And Kevin ended up building this class 10 car for 1984. I raced that and then did did okay. won some races and stuff like that. And then jack Johnson. We talked about him earlier. He raced, I call it the house car for Butch Dean. And he wanted to move on. He wanted to get up in a truck ride. So he stopped racing the class one buggy and got a ride with Nissan. And that gave an open seat to that class, one buggy and I ended up driving And 8687 and then that got me more knowing Michael gone during those times you must have been so, like, I don't want to say satisfied because you're always wanting to do more, but it must have been so cool to get the opportunity to drive these vehicles like hindsight obviously, like we would all love to drive those Yeah, in, in this day and age vintage vehicles, but those were like, ahead of their time. Yeah, absolutely. You know, Kevin, Kevin Bunsen, you know, not only Kevin Butch Dean, he was an innovator Kevin butterman was an innovator. You know, getting to drive Butch Dean's car that was sponsored by Barbary Coast. Mike Hogan, led me to knowing and meeting Walker Evans, who then in 1988 gave me you know, I got a factory ride with Jeep and Goodyear 8889 and 90 I drove for him. And kind of a funny little story. Walker Evans was supposed to retire when he turned 50 suppose he was supposed to retire when he turned 50. And then I was gonna step into his ride and drive his class eight truck Well, he didn't retire yet. He kept going. So I ended up moving over to the Ford roughriders which Robby Gordon was driving for Jim Venable in class eight and Robbie's asphalt career started taking off with I believe they call it EMS, a EMS at the time, and he raced a GTO car for Ford and I believe that was jack Roush. I remember that train. Yeah, so Robbie left the off road. And I ended up being one of two guys that they were going to hire it was between me and Rod Millen. When they called me and told me it's between you and Rod Millen? I'm like, Well, I'm gonna lose. Rod Millen was who I looked up to. And I'm like, he's better than me. And I want to be like him. So I'm never going to get this ride. I ended up go get a test drive. And about a few days later, they called me up said can you come down to the shop in the that's funny that the venerable racing shop is actually about 100 yards from where we are now. That's awesome. So in 1991, I drove for Venable racing and I got the ride over rod which blew my mind he must have had something else to do. So that's why I got it, I guess. But um, you know, that gave me the opportunity to race class eight and then trophy truck and 94. And you know how to great run from 91 to 90. So you ever get like, I don't pre race nerves are a different question. But did you ever get the feeling like, wow, this is like really escalating quickly? Like, I mean, it's gonna it's not quick because it's you're putting in the work over the years. But, man, I'm already in a trophy trucker man, I'm already in this buggy or man me? Well, it took time. You know, I thought, you know, one of the things I always remember things that my mom dad told me when I was little, and one of them was Be patient, you know, and work hard. Yeah, work hard. Be patient. And, and, and, you know, I did a lot of that and ended up just the path ended up working out, you know, honestly, you look back and all the different direction that things could have went and the direction that they did go, I'm very thankful for had a lot of good opportunities, and enabled me to race, you know, for 35 plus years, you know, now that I've been racing, and I've actually, you know, somewhat, you know, I got paid to drive by Walker Evans, right. And I was blown away actually agreed to drive with him. And about a week later, they called me said, Hey, we forgot to tell you, we're gonna pay you. And I'm like, Oh, cool. That's awesome. So, but realize is that you were willing to put in the hard work, but yeah, yeah. I mean, I felt, you know, ultimately, like I we talked about earlier, you know, find people that have as much passion as you do. But yeah, I had a ton of passion in it, too. And I wanted to learn and you know, so some of the things back in the day in Baja, we didn't have GPS, we didn't the map was like a, you know, ink written Yep, pen doubt thing. And it's like, I had to figure it out. And I went and bought a, how do I learn Baja. And I went and bought a triple A map, and I read books, and I looked around. And as I was pre running with Walker, you know, I was looking at the landscape. And I was asking question, where's that? What's this? God, it'll try to read about it. That's how I did it in the day. But I also realized I had the passion. Yeah, I really wanted to do this. And that's, you know, looking back at success of anyone, you can pretty much figure out it's the passion is the passion, the passion is key. And then obviously the work ethic after that, too. Man, we keep getting these comments from an entire owner says hammer, we should have got met for tacos. While you're in Cali. I won't be able to meet you tacos this time. But I'll be in California a lot more in the upcoming months. So we'll definitely meet up and go grab some. Why don't you plan on taking us down to baja for a pre run and we'll eat some tacos? Yeah, absolutely. Well, how about we just go straight for tacos? Yeah, exactly. That sounds like a good plan to me. Oh, and so just last last ringer said the late 90s. That car was built. I don't remember which car we're talking about. But 9798 Yeah. So Jeff. Jeff had some time at Riviera racing with that all wheel drive car. So he knows he was there about that time when that car was built. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay, cool. And john Hubbard said, Are you looking forward to the peninsula run for next year's baja 1000. So they've already scheduled it. There they are. Yeah, well, so usually bar 1000s or every peninsula runs or every third year they used a long time ago. Be Every four years and then it went to three sometimes it was every other year. But um yeah, I'm absolutely looking to peninsula run, specially after this year's ball 1000 or bow Yeah, the ball 1000 slash 900. You know, it took us It took Luke 19 hours in 10 minutes or 11 minutes to win this year. And we were 1921 we can race from t from insalata lapaz faster than that. And you know, this this year's race I discussed it earlier. It's so tight and twisty and technical. I really want to go do a peninsular on gets gets a get some top speed going and how big of a he also has how big of a crew do that for peninsular? Well, last time peninsula run, we were over 100 people usually peninsula and we're over 100. And the reason why how I can explain that to you why it's so many is all the field pits that we have. They're stationary, right? And our field pits have anywhere from 10 to 18 people in them usually, usually I'd say there's about 15 people in each field pit and spa fools. They have about 15 people in each one. So bar 1000 will probably have six fuel stops. So that's six times 15 that you get an idea there. And then in the past years 2014 we had three drivers myself, Andy McMillan and Jason Voss and other peninsula run the last time we did a penicillin was myself being Justin Smith, yep. And Jason Voss, we had three crews. And with that being said, I've chased crews that do the top third, the middle third, and the bottom third, some of the guys at the beginning are my crew, they'll do the whole race. But um, you know, that's how we get over 100, there's probably 15, Chase trucks, six fuel pits, airplane in the sky. So john, the logistical stuff behind any of those races is pretty phenomenal when you understand how it actually works, because there's so many people involved, but we just talked about it a little bit in the beginning of the show was like how many people actually have to be in the same mind frame as what he is behind the wheel. And his co driver is because they all have to kind of know if they don't have communication for a little bit, they have to make decisions about what each other are going to do. Like it's pretty phenomenal how these races actually go down. So anybody like Rob getting a second place in the bar winning the Baja, like all of these things are just phenomenal achievement, so you got to give kudos to them for being able to do something like that. Yeah, absolutely. Here we go. So we go from all of these awesome things that you're doing right to I don't know if it was carrier or in the comments it in but offer a track and trail says, Hey, Rob, what is the best technique to putting on a catheter? Do you have navigator help you? Oren? Yeah. Oh, Orange. Orange. Orange. Yeah, orange, awesome. People really enjoy or orange and carry throughout the hard questions. It's like Jeopardy, right? Yeah, orange a character. Oren was part of the Riviera team in 2007. My first year. Yeah, Oren was one of the employees he worked for Riviera. great group of people a lot of fun times and an orange is definitely a he's a instigator. He a lot a lot of good times. Nice way of saying Oh, yeah, hilarious. Orange, good people. Well, the easiest way to put it on is just get it on there and go to go to the get to the races and the starting line and don't let it fall off. Yeah, for sure. Because then you're gonna have some others and stuff happened that nobody wants to know about. Yeah, Tyrone, like I said, Man, we'll get tacos soon. I'll be in California a lot more soon. So we kind of talked about a little bit about the what you guys are going to start doing in 2021 and stuff. I want to get Kayden on the show one of these days. Yeah, he have any plans for 2021? Right now he's gonna race works in the pro classes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. For sure racing is gonna build another car. Well, he's for sure racing Pro Stock. And then, you know, he just started a new job this morning and had to get up and go to work at five. So I don't know how that's gonna work out for him. And, you know, he he has aspirations of going racing. So the coolest things that you told me that I thought was that was really neat that like I said before, when we were talking is a proud dad moment is he really wants to do this on his own man. Yeah, he really wants to pave his own path. Yeah, he's, he's doing a good job doing everything on his own. For the most part, you know, I tried to help him out here and there, but he he really, really appears to want to do it on his own. You know, I support him at the races and try to help him in the shop when I can. And he's, he's had great success. I mean, you won't have to do most of this stuff out of your guys. But yeah, yes. Yep. We have a 1500 square foot building on the side of my house and he has his car in there and and he preps it pretty much all himself. He does everything there and, and he one thing I realized about these kids today, they're coming up a lot of my like, how they get so good, so quick, and I use this rhapis boyson example is you know, when they first started racing, I was racing with their dad and the trophy truck and then as they got a little bit older, they started in a in a truck. They did a little bit of trophy light. They did a little bit a 6100. The they did a little bit of that. And then they stepped into 6100 and they were they did well. They want to Lot of races, then they got trophy truck and they're fast. And I realized, you know, with them, I realized they're listening. They're paying attention. They're listening. They're watching videos. They're doing all this. So they already get the race, strategy and pace. They all do that. And the same thing. I think Kate did the same thing. Yeah, I, you know, being his dad, you know, I would always say he's not listening to me. But hopefully he was listening. And he's listening to other people. So I think that helps. These younger kids get through a lot of the stuff and figure stuff out quicker. Did he do any of this stuff? Like, I know, like, every time I go to Lucas races and stuff, I always see the little kids going up to say your pits, RJs pits or whoever it is helping wash body panels. Yeah, having a good time and doing all these fun things with Caden like that. Yeah, yeah, he did that, you know, he would, he'd bring his bicycle. And, you know, as I'm racing pro two, pro four, he's often gone and figures out playing in the sand or whatever. But, you know, after I heard the stories, he's over at this guy's pit helping him out and cleaning cars and doing stuff. So do you remember any of the kids that may have come up to you guys want to I don't want to call it back in the day, but a few years ago, like maybe a Sheldon crater, Jared Brooks that washed the panels and then like, have fun with you. And now that you're gonna get yes against them. Yeah, I mean, you know, when these kids I remember, you know, I think much of it then. But when the Sheldon and gerrits and RJ is when those guys were a little kids. Yeah, like to me, they were little kids. Yeah. And I never thought I'm gonna be raising these kids. You know, I say. So they're little kids. And I never thought those little kids will never be racing me. You know what I'm saying. And then as time went on, all of a sudden, those little kids were in pro lights, and I still didn't think they're really gonna be racing me. And that's become into pro two. And then they're racing me. And Sheldon is someone you know, he's one of the first guys. When when I would watch him drive, I'm like, Damn, that kid's got talent. And when SST started, Robbie got him in a truck there. And I remember standing next to Robbie, and I, as Sheldon went by, and I watched him a little bit. I knew Robbie was watching him. Sheldon went by and I looked at Robbie. And I go, that's you. Yeah, right there. And, you know, Sheldon had an incredible talent, and watching him in SST, and then Washington and prolight. And then he got into pro two, he struggled a little bit there. And I remember one day, and I don't know how he crossed paths, but I knew his grandpa, by name, Maurice. And, you know, we were passing by with each other. And we said something, I said, Hey, you need to get that kid on asphalt as fast as you can. He can come back later and do this. But take him to asphalt. Now. If you can't make it, you can come to this later. And, man, it was awesome to see I was watching Sheldon when he won the last race there when the truck championship. And it made me feel proud. You know, same as Jimmie Johnson was a kid in Mickey Thompson. And, you know, he his path. And I actually just saw, you know, a documentary on Jimmy after and Jimmy said, Well, I wanted to watch that. Yeah, it's good. It's good. And something Jimmy said in that was that he never stayed in one series for more than two years. So his he moved really quick. You know, which is something to think about? Don't you know, depending what your path is, and if you think you're, you know, you have aspiration to get into asphalt. NASCAR IndyCar try to get there as quick as you can don't pigeonhole yourself. Yeah, exactly. Don't. And, you know, for me, I raced. I loved offroad so much. Like I almost want to say I set up home here doing this. And by the time I got it, trickled yourself around a different class. Yeah, so I did that a lot. But you know, I didn't have aspirations to go to asphalt really ever. When the NASS I'll call it NASS truck. When that started, there was four off road owners that each built two trucks apiece, and I had one of my Jim Venables, one of them who I drove for. So I had the opportunity right at the very beginning to do the NASCAR truck series. And I did the first couple exhibition races. Was that like the Hornet age? Yeah, it was before him. Oh, really, for him. So there was only in the very beginning. There was offroad guys, there was no name drivers myself, you know, Dave Ashley, in the in the asphalt world. And Hornaday came in after us. PJ Jones was probably the biggest name at the beginning. And but I only made it I went to the exhibition races when it may summer in someone up in Washington somewhere I believe was and that's it. I just didn't like it. I didn't like going in circles. And to me, these were, you know, these were ill handling road cars that burn the tires off of them, and then they were really bad. Hey, well, you're confirming with that. The dirt life is a good thing. Yeah. So I loved off road. You know, I loved I'd done it for, you know, I had already done it for at least 10 years. I loved it. I had a huge passion for it. I just didn't like asphalt. So, you know, I just made a commitment to do off road my whole career. Well, we're all thankful that you did that. That's pretty cool. And to Mike Gilson said, How many more years of racing do you have in you? Well, good news. Walker made it all the way to his 60 Larry raglin still doing really well. Larry rossler just won the ball. 1000. So there's no I don't want to call out his age, but I know he's at least 10 years older than me or write about 10 It's a well, I wonder how if we called him up and asked him how his body was feeling after one day, I think Larry's body was doing really good. Yeah. So Larry, you know, obviously he looks. He looks great. He's looks healthy and really does like he looked like he was happy with no, absolutely. Larry at home. He's He's in a great place in life, I think. And when He always makes a point of, and I know he's told it to me enough, that the numbers 18 Yeah, and the number 18 is how many follow 1000 wins. He has. Oh, so I know. Because he's not constantly telling me. Yeah, you know, 70 Yeah, he'll go 18. So, anyways, that's a good one, though. Yeah, that means you can't retire now anytime soon. So a special ed says, We have a team to help have a suit for the works races, so they're happy to help. Yeah, it sounds like so. It sounds like you got a lot of support man if you need it. I know that you guys always have support on your guys's teams, but that's cool that people are chiming in saying that. Yeah, so Jim gyms inside Kaden was Rob's tire spy at short course races. Oh, yeah, it is going to wash panels for certain teams. Yeah. How it works. Yeah, Caden would come back with tire grooving tips from what other people were doing. What? What a compound tire. Carl's doing this girl's doing that. Yeah. That's pretty funny. I'm sure none of that happened. All right. You had a hand in the truck series? Well, I don't know what that mean. Yeah, that's, that's back to the NASS truck. So Oh, yeah. is up. Yeah. Mike Montez. Yeah, from Vegas. So yeah, actually, yeah, we kind of talked about that. There's the beginning of the truck series and going to do that. And it's pretty cool. Did you? Did you ever think like, it would be where it's at now? I mean, because there's so many different things that you're saying in these conversations that you may not pick up on? Because it was you that was doing them. But there's so many choices that you made. And we talked about this earlier again, today. When you make one choice, it equals all of these other things that happen, whether they're positive or negative. And it seems like a lot of the choices that you made, made a positive difference for everybody in different industries. Yeah. Well, I think you know, you know, when I made my decisions to go, the direction I did is because that's what I wanted to do. And I'd passion towards it. So again, I'm it, it works. And because I had the passion, I made it work, if that makes sense. So, you know, I guess you know, I'm saying instead of trying to shoehorn you into the pavement, I've been saying light lately, life is what we make it right. So ultimately, you know, my successor you know, and me being proud of what I've done or being good within my own skin what I've done, it's because it's what I wanted to do absolutely so so I'm happy with it. I think that's those are Words To Live By, man, if we cut a clip out of this one, his passion in life is what you make, and I think those are very, very good Words To Live By. Uh, oh. And john is actually saying that kids are running ARCA like 15. I didn't think that was allowed. I thought arco was at age restriction. Yeah, maybe they made a change. I remember when kurt busch Shara Kyle, remember Kyle was he was trying to go to the truck series and then they put they change the, the the age limit. So, man, that's crazy. Yeah. Well, kids are you know, I don't know how to explain it. But to me, you know, kids are getting pretty damn good when they're young now. So I think it is okay. Or maybe they're more mature. What I don't know what it is. There's put putting something in the water. Dude. It's just cuz we used to play Ivan Stewart off road on the video games like that. Now all the video games are really active. Yeah. Well, you see these people with the simulators and all that stuff. And have you tried one of those? No, I haven't. I'm reluctant. Because I think they are really difficult, though. Yeah, they are really difficult. Like, I thought I was like, Oh, this is gonna be video game. I got this no problem. And all of a sudden, I got in there. And I was all just like, it was crazy. Um, let's see here. So we had a couple more questions that that I was actually going to ask you and one of the ones was like, it was going to be like, what's your most memorable race, but I wanted to phrase it differently was like, what was the most memorable time that you had during your racing career? Like, eating tacos? Valley tea? I mean, with a bunch of family that you mentioned, your mom like, what are some of these things that are really emotional that you're are really happy that you got to do over the years? Yeah, I mean, ultimately, you know, running your own team. And being successful has been probably one of the things I look back on and I appreciate the most, you know, understand what went into Well, yeah, I mean, you know, thankfully, I've got you know, people that that surround me, you know, Amber being one of my girlfriend, you know, helping put together the ball 1000 wins and all the goes into the logistics of that and in hindsight looking back, and realizing how much work and effort went into everything that we've done and support and support everything that we've done since 2013. And realizing, you know, all everything behind the scenes, you know, peninsula runs out people you know how many different hotel reservations that is, you know how many hotels how many different cities? You know how many people where do you put them all where do they go? You know, what direction did they all lay down? You know what what are they you know exactly you know what what are their what are their needs, you know when to go when they go home allergies, you know ambers, she's done stuff, you know, your dog tags for every single person on the team case, there's emergency knowing, you know, just everything but um, knowing all the work and effort that's gone into even one race one, one, whether it's San Felipe in the ball 1000, whether it's a race in the States, whatever it is all the work that goes into that. And then being successful on the other end, winning a championship or winning the race and looking back at it, and knowing that it came to fruition, and what what you did in what your group did, you know, and that's the thing, I guess, you know, I come to this realization the last year or so, to me more than any race. That's what means the most, it's the group of the people that were put together, assembled, and did a tasks or multiple tasks. And it all came out on the other end being successful. Yeah, and I and I agree with all of that, even on the non successful days, actually, two, that's a true statement. I love that answer. Because that's the exact reason that we started the show is because of all the camaraderie in the off road industry. And I don't know if it's the same in pavement racing and stuff like that, because I've never done that. So I wouldn't know. But those are the exact same things that I remember from my dirt bike racing 10 year from my little short course racing, 10 year and utvs. And now being on the media side of it, I see it directly with every single team, whether it's the little mom and pop team with a 570 razor all the way up to a trophy team. Like it's phenomenal to see all of that stuff. And All right, well, we're gonna kind of wind things down a little bit here. We're gonna do a rapid fire q&a, but before we do that, I know that you kind of just went into it, but who are the people that you do have on your team that you'd like to thank before we start getting the rapid fire? Yeah, well, first and foremost, you know, Amber. Yeah. You know, she's my right hand. She's does tons of things for the team. Constantly managing all the people talking to them keeping every but she's like making everybody laugh, man. We had that with everything she said. It's a funny Yeah, no, she's definitely hard worker. Cheryl, his son Andy's been here helping lately with the trophy truck. luceros done awesome with this thing, prepping it. It's got you know, a very good success with that all the ball fools. The Chase guys, the braza guys locked in good guys. Jamie Campbell. He used to help pit us manage so many people's relations again. Yep. Jimmy Davidson who spoke up today he used to work for us prep the pro for work for us at Menzies as well and he's awesome, incredible talent. And you know, all those people you know, that that that are out there that have put their time in Jimbo, you know, it's great having a lot of people that have been in my career, working for teams that I've been with over the time. It's it's incredible that all those people's help made my success happen. Yeah. That was it. Teamwork makes the dream Exactly. And then I couldn't do it alone. There's, you know, there's no way it's with all these people in them taking time away from their families, their their kids, things like that. Some of the pictures that we had up on the intro screen two were pretty cool, too, because and I've seen you do this many times at the races, you genuinely appreciate the fans like you'll stop whatever you're doing, even if it's important to your race day or whatever, and go pay attention to what they're doing. Because they mean so much to you into the racing organizations in general. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, you know, those fans have passion too. And, you know, especially little kids. And, you know, a neat story that I have is, when I first started going to Baja, being down in San Ignacio at staying Filipino hotel. That's what it was named back in the day. And having the waiter bring his little baby son that was just born within six months ago in to introduce him to us. And four years later, the next peninsula run he brings his four year old in four years later, he brings his eight year old in for three years later. So every time we keep seeing this little boy grow, grow, grow really soon you go in there to that restaurant, four years later, pre running. Where's your son? Oh, he went to college in law, pause, and then be down on the pause at the finish line and have the now it's a young man, come up, tapped on the shoulder and go remember me? And it's like, not sure. He goes my dad San Ignacio the waiter like holy shit. So you things like that, you know and CRAN and do the same things. That's like a movie. Yep. Same time grant and you got people kids that came there. When I raced there in the early 90s. And now they're there today. You know, Mikey Gilson was 14 and now he's 30 something that is so cool, man. I love stories like that. You must have so many of those stories to man. It's so cool. We couldn't even I mean even if we stayed on this on this interview for the next two days we couldn't have enough fun with Rob but if you guys have any more questions please feel free to reach out to myself or to rob on Instagram both of us will try to get back to you if we possibly can. His is at 21 Rob Mack on Instagram and mine is or ours is at The Dirt Life Show on Instagram all right buddy ready for rapid fire q&a here all right let's do it. dunes are the river ball you want to go ball ball now lately has been the river ambers ambers a river girl so she wants to do the river the river I like the river okay cool So what kind of stuff do you do with the river you boater guy are you like driving the boat pulling people throwing them off the tube and then on the beach nice Amar'e likes throwing me off the tube though. That's another good story. That's Oh really? Yeah, it's a good one. Oh, she's pinned like the boat like like I'm telling the boats going like 3540 are you swinging out like swinging out and then flying and then skipping all that how fast is the boat going? She goes I don't know. Then later I find out it's going like almost 50 head What is it? You're like going like double or triple speed. Oh, it was it was good. Yeah, she was trying to kill him. Do something bad the week earlier earlier? Probably three wheelers or quads. I wrote three wheelers. I wrote quads. So now I still own my I have a Yamaha Banshee I still own no way we're talking about banshees the other day. Alfonso actually just got rid of his Yeah, I still own mine. I bought it in 88 to me kit no legs I don't talk about Yeah, I think I have FMF pipes. Oh yeah, I know a bunch of people got those because the FMF made those nickel plated one yeah, nobody want to clean their pipe. Yeah, that's Yeah, that's what I got. Still runs to really starts like if you put if it has fresh gas. It's like one kick in idols all day long. That's the best part about the Banshees is like it was a 350 twin so it barely took any pressure like you wouldn't get any of that. What's it called kickback or whatever on this on the Kickstarter. Yep. You said you do pay attention to a motocross, Cinderella or Osborne. Osborne, you're going Osborne? Yeah. Like both? I mean, since reylo. Just you know, the couple times when he kind of crashed and threw championships away. What about let's see barsha or Webb? That man this guy's team is all fired up? Yeah. So future? Yeah, I don't know. I like bam, bam, he it's pretty amazing. Cooper's there. They're both good. I like I like like, like I said earlier about a team. I don't have a favorite team. I like a good game. You know what I mean? And I guess ultimately, I like someone with good strategy runs a good race. And I feel like Cooper Webb would be like, more of a Rob McCracken mindset because he's got such good racecraft Yeah, no, he he was impressed with the year he won the championship you know obviously you know I think he you know, he worked hard did good. Things fell his way to which that's what happens when you win a lot of races when a championship things go your way. See him? Yeah, no, he was like our future thinking in those races. like he'd see lines come in. Yeah. before anybody else like yeah, that stuff. No, he did. I enjoyed him his championship season, that's for sure. Alright, let's get into some simpler questions. Little Smokies or pizza rolls. Pizza. eats rose coffee or tea. Tea. Favorite soda. We already know this one. Smell D lately? Yeah. You gotta try those white man Margarita dude. Oh, if you could have one superpower, what would it be? Like you get a fly and fly flyable guy probably fly. Flying would be pretty cool. So we had I forgot who said it. Ronnie Anderson. Maybe? Tell teleportation is that Yeah. teleport? Yeah, yeah, you don't have to drive anymore. Yeah, it's just your wherever. Yeah, that's that's good. I don't I think I don't think I want to be invisible. Yeah, I don't think either. Because then you like what if you can't control it? or something? bugs or crocs? Hmm. My feet are cold now. So go eggs go nuts. Well, we kind of asked this one most memorable race. I like bought 1000 Crandon short course. Yeah, those Yeah. Yep. Does it and I think a lot of that has to do with Well, maybe I'm being a little presumptuous here, but because you have so many people around you at those races. Yeah, like it probably feels different. Right. It feels a little bit more heartfelt. True. Yeah, so Favorite Flavor ice cream. Josh lately it's been vanilla. Really the fridge? Alright, so pi and vanilla. We both we both know Robert Blanton and I promised him that I would try to give him as many jobs as possible, because he answered strawberry Ron Davis. Let's go. How can such a badass answer strawberry Rhonda right like dogs or cats, dogs, Netflix or YouTube? YouTube. Yeah, I've been getting into a lot more YouTube these days to man, it seems like because YouTube you can just pick whatever you want, right? Ooh, that might be a good thing to do. Maybe we'll see Rob McCracken come out with a cool YouTube video in 2021. Huh? burrito or taco tacos. Supercross or motocross? Super. You go and Supercross like designation you'd like to gnarliness a motocross? Yeah. I know Supercross. Well, for me, I guess. Supercross the beginning of year you got all the players. By the end of Supercross. You don't have all the players and usually in motocross you don't have all the players. So I like the beginning of the season of Supercross, because Holy shit. Yeah, competition is there. It's stacked so and I that's what I kind of wonder how it's gonna be this year in 2021. Because like Anaheim one is always like, all my it's like, go into the starting line at the bottom. Like, nobody knows cuz they've been preparing for a year for it's like, holy shit, man. That level is stacked. Well, if we're just asking that Supercross motocross question, this is not a question that's on my list. But what would you rather do if you had one race weekend, go race, a desert race or go race a short course race and let's use use Crandon and baja as the as the two so kraninger Baja, I'd go to baja because it lasts longer. And tacos and tacos. Good answer. What other form of racing? Would you like to try? And oh, wait, this is always prefaced. So it could be anything. Offshore boats, f1. Monster trucks, it could even be lawnmowers for all we cared. I think, you know, feeling what a f1 car would do would be pretty incredible. It would be pretty incredible. Whether it's driving or riding in one because I don't know if I'd ever get the opportunity to drive one. But I think it would be incredible. I think so too. And I thought to myself, like when I was thinking like, okay, driving an f1 car would be fantastic. I was like, You know what? Just going and seeing how those things get on the track. It would be phenomenal. Absolutely. wonder if you could transfer anything like that into off road? The money you could? Yeah, I guess. All right. The last most important question of the night I have to be like I already have your answer, but chips and guacamole or french fries and ranch. Oh, I like chips and guacamole. Yeah, same here. Well, thank you very much, dude for joining us. I really appreciate it. It was awesome that you, you know, let us come into the shop and hang out for a little bit and stay late with us. I really appreciate it. Absolutely. Thank you for having me. It was awesome. So yeah, man, hopefully 2021 goes good for you. And we're all going to be cheering on. Yep. 21 my number short course number. Oh, it should be good. Yeah, that should be good. Well, I wanted to ask you, what was the reason you picked 21? Ah, let's see. Probably I'm pretty sure I was number 21 in basketball. Oh, and when I started racing short course with my own team in 97. We were for 21 because it was a pro four. So the numbers were for anyone. And then you know, when I raced trophy truck, I believe I was 21 the last year. And then when I had the choice in short course we saw you take 21 you have 21 and maybe your motorcycles. No, no, I don't remember those numbers. I remember a 113 on me. It wasn't double seven. No, I think it was 113. That's the only that's what I think I remember. Oh, man. That's awesome. Well, thank you very much to all you guys for joining us tonight. You guys have done in Jeff wolf says thank you as well Rob. You they say you do get a dirt oval racing. Well, we know he likes it in the dirt. So yeah, let's see. Oh, actually, these are actually some pretty good questions. So let's actually answer these real quick. Let's see. Rob said. or excuse me, Mike said Rob would be good at dirt oval racing. Come on computer. Is there anything you dislike about driving your race truck? No. Your family is super proud of you. Yeah, that's awesome that you guys said that everybody else is saying thanks, Rob. If racing is your work, what do you like to do as a hobby? race? That's my my I'm lucky. My my passion. My hobby. My job. My career. Everything is racing. Hey, so we're talking about little kids and racing and stuff if your race a little RC cars. I did a little bit. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he got it cuz it's way different than racing. Yeah. No, I in the beginning. I was I was not that good. Because I would be in patients who's like crash once than I did everything and fly out the window. Exactly. I just get worse. So I'm mid 80s. I started doing slot cars. You ever since that little tiny little slot cars raced on a track which is about eight lanes wide. It's all about throttle. Yeah, exactly. So in the in the 80s. And that's something I'd recommend to people. Mid 80s or so I started doing that racing slot cars and I'll tell you what, that really got your concentrate, focus and concentration. It's level wick. Yeah, they're super fast and you got eight of them and if you crash, you know you're you're falling behind. So I know you know I used I use that a little bit what I learned in slot Cars used today. So that's really, really cool. Yeah, and the reason I asked that question I wanted to ask you before was because I had a bad accident, I have my head and I got my brain scrambled and still my eyes don't work that well. But one of the forms of therapy that I used was driving the little RC car around, I wasn't erasing it or anything I was just trying to control it in the street, right? It was phenomenal how much focus and concentration you had to have from that and it turns into like I want to make it set up better and I want to make it handle better and then it all goes back to like what you're doing with a big truck because yeah, you know how to set it up you know how to make a handle. It's pretty cool that you notice that same Yeah. Okay, well thank you guys very much for joining us. We really appreciate it. Oh, look see we even got people talking in Spanish alfonzo So Merry Christmas to you guys as well. Thank you Rob Mack from gyms in Well, thank you very much all of you guys. Thank you very much to our sponsors really appreciate it. Like I said before at the beginning of the show, you can go to the shock therapy guys give them a call Michonne the guys over there are excuse me a Milo and JT over there you can call him up say The Dirt Life Show sent you chalk therapist calm and use the code Dirt Life Show. I think you guys are KMC wheels obviously Rob wants to thank the guys a vision wheels BF Goodrich and Makita you got anybody else on yeah just Fox shocks Casey lights. vp fuels everyone that supports me thank you guys very much and more success coming Yeah, more success coming and definitely some of the cool ideas that Rob has man I can't wait to see them please come to fruition if he does. Like I said thank you guys that KMC wheels Ryan. Ryan over effects tires to like I said we have a giveaway side by side guys on Instagram. You can go look at that giveaway. You can win some KMC wheels for your UTV thank you very much guys as older racing products. You can use the code dirt life as well under racing products calm. Thank you The guys that cryo heat man, they've been just doing so much awesome stuff with the UTV improvements and just everybody that's on board with us is making huge leaps and making the UTV industry grow. Thank you very much guys solder weld for providing all their products and their off road repair kit. You can use the code dirt life over and solder weld calm and save a whole bunch of money on your off road repair kit. Next week's show man it's gonna be really cool. We We aren't going to be in shock. But we're going to have pleasant cook four by four Barbie on the show. So that'll be a cool departure from the racing thing because she does some really cool stuff. And she's just going to be awesome to talk to. So like I said, Thank you very much. Thank you Alfonso for helping us set it up. And you're a good co host and interviewee man, I appreciate it. Rob right on. So all right. Well, thank you guys very much. Thanks, Rob. We'll see you guys later. Have a good night. We love you. Thanks for listening to The Dirt Life Show.