The Dirt Life
The Dirt Life
Morgan Clarke - Life, Design, and Future
What if the key to unlocking your creative potential lies in taking up dirt biking at age 14? Join us on the Dirt Life Show as we bring you an enlightening conversation with Morgan Clark, a trailblazer in off-road motorsports. Morgan shares his transformative journey from a teenager inspired by a modified white Ranger truck to becoming a renowned designer and builder in the pre-runner vehicle world. Listen as Morgan recounts the support from his mother and the crucial role online communities played in nurturing his passion, offering valuable tips on the importance of persistence, curiosity, and community in shaping one’s career.
Morgan doesn't shy away from discussing the challenges he faced along the way, including his time at a wilderness boot camp and the lessons learned in a structural steel and iron worker shop. His story is a testament to the importance of patience, hard work, and mastering the basics before moving on to more complex projects. This episode isn't just about off-road vehicles; it's about personal growth, resilience, and the emotional journey of becoming a professional in a demanding industry. Morgan's experiences serve as an inspiration for anyone facing their own set of challenges, highlighting the significance of internal ambition over external guidance.
Discover how physical fitness, a strong support network, and innovative fabrication techniques play a crucial role in Morgan's life and work. From balancing family life to the evolving intersection of off-road and street car design, Morgan reveals how structure and routine unlock creativity. We also delve into the impact of AI on automotive design, the trials of running a business, and the importance of nurturing creative growth within a team. Whether you're an off-road enthusiast, an aspiring entrepreneur, or someone seeking inspiration, this episode offers a wealth of insights and motivational stories from a true visionary in the world of off-road motorsports.
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Welcome to the Dirt. Life Show with your host, George Hamel. You did a show.
Speaker 2:You remember it's been about a year, I think dang dude.
Speaker 1:So, uh, is this like a yearly vip appearance, or do you want to do it more?
Speaker 2:oh, I'd love to do it more. I love being on this show.
Speaker 1:Thanks, dude. We love having everybody on the show too, so let's get through all our sponsors and stuff, but today we have a really cool show I can't wait to see, to talk with our uh guests. Tonight we got morgan clark on, so a lot of you guys will know him already by the rad cars that he's developed, and really you know him a little bit too.
Speaker 2:Yep, yep, we share the uh the pre-runner world. Uh, love, uh, that's how I reached out to him because of my background in pre-runners and uh, we just became friends through the internet and we talk on the phone and, um, kind of just went from there.
Speaker 1:Dude pre-runners have gotten so gnarly. Today too, dude, they're gnarly, but he's come up with some pretty cool stuff, so we're going to talk with him about that. But one of the things that we've been doing a lot more lately on the Dirt Life Show is talking about life like life in general, and what I mean by that is what it takes to get to positions like where Morgan is. Battles that you have to fight through. There's all kinds of different things. Every single person on the planet fights their own battles and has their own issues, and even if it's just in your head or with your family or helping your friends or whatever, it is right. So, what's up, ryan? Prosser Ando. What's up?
Speaker 1:So we'd like you guys to comment in when we get nice and deep with Morgan. So I want to tell you guys how to watch the show first, so you can catch all of our shows on Facebook, youtube and the podcast network. So if you're driving down the road, you can hit up. Uh, uh, what do they call it now? Apple music, apple podcasts, itunes, uh, spotify, all of those good uh networks? Uh, so interact with us. You can DM us, you can comment in. Yeah, podium Race Prep. What's up, jason?
Speaker 2:Hey, do we know that guy Morgan Clark? Yeah, morgan.
Speaker 1:Clark view request. So we're going to invite Morgan or we're going to get Morgan on in just a second. Let me just thank all the sponsors real quick. So I'd like to thank, oh and share the show though, too. What does Andy Fr for sale say? You got to pay, you got to share the show. So do the same thing for us. We don't charge anything. We just want everybody to grow off-road and grow the industry that we love. So, um, thank you very much to all of our sponsors.
Speaker 1:Thanks to guys over at max's tires, we just had a fantastic time with those guys over at crandon. That was a sick race. Um, it was cool to see all of the uh tire development and how much they support the industry. So, please, if you guys need tires, go check out some Maxxis tires. They got some rad stuff for your UTV or your truck. Thanks to the guys over at Shock Therapy, they've been doing big things lately. Big things They've been working with Fox a lot. They've been developing a new company called Upfit UTV. They can go to a showroom floor and buy a badass UTV with all kinds of cool shocks, modifications and stuff. Thanks to the guys over at Evolution Powersports, they have helped us with all the live streaming stuff too. They've been at Vegas Arena.
Speaker 1:Jacob did pretty good, man and Todd as well. So, thanks to the guys over at Zollinger Racing Products. We spotted at Crandon a Dirt Life hat and Travis Zollinger was wearing it. So it was cool to see him in all the pictures with the OG gray Dirt Life hat. So thanks, travis. So please support the guys that support us. So hit up ZollingerRacingProductscom. Go buy some of their bling-bling products for your UTV or side-by-side. Thanks to the guys over at Vision Canopies, kyle and all those guys. Corey Winter did really good. He ran one of the star stream units in his car. Vision canopies truck did awesome at crandon. Uh, yeah, and then another plug thanks to star stream. So if you guys haven't seen it yet, go check out the live stuff. Uh, all right. Uh, anything else you want to say before we get morgan on mila? Uh, real crap, we had a poor connection right there, sorry guys. So what'd you say, mila?
Speaker 2:uh, we are not live on YouTube right now. Yeah, not on.
Speaker 1:YouTube, just Instagram. Watch it on Instagram and then we're going to post it later so you can hit it up on Apple Podcasts. Let's get Morgan on. We're going to connect. I'll go through his intro real quick. Let's see here. Here, actually we'll wait and see if we can connect with him real quick. What's?
Speaker 2:up there, he is what's up, dude?
Speaker 1:is the connection good? I think ours is kind of shit, but it's all right, hey? So, uh, let me do the intro real quick. Uh, today's guest is a designer, fabric and builder specializing in motorsports and, more specifically, off-road. His creativity and outside-the-box thinking has been showcased around the world. His work is top-notch, but his life is even better. He has a mindset that has pushed him to overcome battles within himself and to progress forward and help others. We are very excited to dive deeper into the show and story and see what makes him tick. Morgan Clark, welcome to the show. What's up?
Speaker 2:Savage Dude for real, hey, so I was checking out.
Speaker 1:Check this desk out. Check this desk out. Let's check it out. Do you remember these?
Speaker 2:No, way it doesn't flip but it's still pretty, pretty solid so you got a trap for keeper under that thing, dude, yeah is there is there a?
Speaker 1:bunch of gum, a bunch of gum still under there no, this one's raw.
Speaker 3:There's no graffiti scribes in it or anything that's right.
Speaker 2:Is logan sitting there?
Speaker 3:we got it for him for something I forget what it was. For. Now it just lives in the office, right?
Speaker 1:so, uh, be a good one to like lean into you know you just chill, yeah, so give us a little bit of a background on uh. You know where you came from and like what, uh, what brought you into the off-road culture?
Speaker 3:okay, and you know, like we talked about I, I think sometimes this stuff does get repetitive on podcasts, but it is part of my story and that's just that's how it goes, you know, and there's always a different viewer and demographic per podcast or whatever. I rode dirt bikes. I started late riding dirt bikes. I always wanted a dirt bike. I watched like the movie dirt bike kid when I was younger. That was the shit and I started writing.
Speaker 3:89 yz80, peter billings I think it was a car, was it? Yeah, yeah, but it. I saw that and then I started. I started racing dirt bikes, district 37, uh, like in the desert, and that was 14, 15 years old. There was some local kids and and one of the guys, scott hyatt, he had this white ranger and I remember when they were marking the course, like maybe a day before or two days before or something, I was out there before I had a race and I saw this ranger like going through with big proportions, like it was the old rain gutter and it had, like you know, probably 33s on it or 35s and it had big fenders and it had a bed cage and stuff. And that was the old rain gutter and it had, like you know, probably 33s on it or 35s and it had big fenders and it had a bed cage and stuff. And that was the first time I saw a pre-runner, and I didn't even know what it was and I know it wasn't an actual pre-runner, but it was still the spirit of one. That's the, the one that changed me.
Speaker 3:And then I was riding xr50s, like in my neighbor's backyard and stuff, and we had a track and this was right.
Speaker 3:When, like 50s came about and maybe 2000 or so, um, and I broke the swing arm or something and I looked up in the in the clark phone book a place to for welding repair and the welding repair place I went to they're like, oh, we can't do it, but this place, solo motorsports can. And then I go over to solo motorsports and I never even knew people build these things and like I met Bobby and Carl and I was just like, oh my god, I saw like bead rolled panels on firewalls and all this majestic shit dude, like that was the first time. And and he had a little like a 3 by five photograph in their office of one of the old obs, chevy herbstrucks, the mike smith pre-runners, and it was like just everything was drooped out. It was coming off like a plateau, like coming to the at you and it was this gobs of travel in this beam silver auto and that was. That was the whole time, like where things changed, where I like I discovered this was a thing dude, that's so sick, was that?
Speaker 2:like would you say 2000 yeah definitely.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think 99 or 2000, for sure, that's like the whole like lamborghini picture on the wall.
Speaker 1:Everybody has their sports car like that yeah, or a testarossa.
Speaker 3:You know, I had that too like a diablo testarossa, um, that sparked it.
Speaker 2:Go ahead if you guys have questions so I was gonna say uh, so how old were you? With the 50s you could roll over to solo 16, okay, so so where did you go from there? Like how did you get into it? Like rolling in, cause? The reason I ask is a lot of people are like dude, I just don't know if I can go to a shop. I don't know, I don't want to sweep the floors first. How did you roll into it Totally?
Speaker 3:Um, so I, I, I got, I saw the pre-runner thing and I got like enamored by it. And then I knew like Scott high and I started building a relationship with Bobby and stuff and just discovering pre-runners and that was like fire where I went on forums, you know, like race desert and stuff, desert rangers for sure I think my name was Clark on desert rangers. Um, and my mom, my mom was my biggest supporter when I was younger and she was, she was like a tomboy, she was a beautiful woman but she was like she went to Arcadia high school and she, she was a tomboy but she took, she, she filled in the father figure with me a lot. And the first car I got, I got this.
Speaker 3:There's this off-road shop called t and j off-road in orange and they always have this crazy jeep class eight thing. But they also race best in the desert. Put together this class. I forget what it was for, I know it's for vegas torino, but they also race best in the desert. Put together this class. I forget what it was for, I know it's for vegas torino, but they had this explorer that was for sale. My buddy garrett worked at donahoe racing, uh, back when that was still a thing. And you know, I told him I'm like I'm looking for a pre-order, like something inexpensive or whatever, and t and j off-road have this explorer. And it was a night. It's like what everybody's getting into now.
Speaker 3:Those like 94, four doors, yep, yep, it was that, and it was eddie bauer and it had 33s on it, auburn pro posies, 513 gears. It had two and a half inch bypasses like swayaways, bypasses under the, the bed, like deavers, all this shit, and it was all inch and a half chromoly cage and my mom and I went to go check that thing out and we ended up buying it and that was like my first truck is a four liter, like an Atlas transfer case in it, dude. And that dude it was so good because it was just on the brink of not going fast enough so you couldn't get through the big shit that would really fuck your stuff up. So you could have all this fun and you could drive it to the desert and then you could just dude, I would blow the back windows out.
Speaker 3:I'd blow the back windows out just from pressure and then, like Taylor, my wife, like she's been with me since I was 16. We would drive that to Ocotillo Wells, we'd sleep in the back. Drive it all weekend, drive it home, you know, get like a flat dude that's so crazy.
Speaker 2:I'm sure right about that time you're doing that I've crossed paths with you a hundred times because I was out at all the teowells every weekend yeah about that time?
Speaker 3:yeah, we do it all and we'd go, like we'd go to the mdr races, and it was. That was the awesome stuff, dude, because you just have music on and you like go and you'd spectate at a spot and you'd watch cars come through and then you'd go somewhere else and that was your day dude, I miss mdr, such a vibe.
Speaker 2:Just go out for the day and watch those guys rally around.
Speaker 1:No money, yeah, just fun, cool shit, just fun. Yeah, dude, it's kind of crazy to think about how all of this dirt life like sparked all of this interest in us to do, I don't know, all these different things. Right, like I mean building cars now with you guys. Like you know, I had, I had a professional career for a little while racing, and like it's just so crazy and to think about like that, like because I want this, this show, to be more about life, um, but to think about how kids these days don't have the opportunity to do that, and your mom gave you the opportunity. It seems like a small thing at the time and she probably didn't qualify it as a big decision. Yeah, but look at how it shaped the path that you went so you want me to keep going?
Speaker 1:yeah, for sure so.
Speaker 3:Then I saw andrew Neal's on here. I got. I was like 16 and a half 17. I was a gnarly kid with I wasn't drinking or doing drugs, I was just getting in fights. I got expelled from Bonita my freshman year and then I went to Lutheran. I met Taylor there Halfway into my junior year. I got expelled from there for fighting.
Speaker 3:And then then my mom, like I was ditching school to ride dirt bikes in Beaumont three days a week, like Beaumont was our spot and we would like my buddy Blake Thorpe. We'd park in the back, like where they couldn't even see our bikes in the back of the truck, and then at lunch we'd just leave and we do it like three times a week and I came really close to not passing high school because of this stuff and my mom. I was having anger issues like my whole younger life and I was blowing up on people and blowing up on my mom, treating her like shit, and she felt like there was no other option for me but to send me away to a boarding school. And that was when I was 17. So like 3 am it was on a Friday night. 3 am she's like hey, you can't have anybody spend the night, and usually I have people spend the night like every weekend, and she's like you can't have anybody spend the night, I still have my buddy Jeff spend the night. So at like 3 am, this big-ass dude and this woman came in and, like my mom wasn't even there, they just came in like Morgan, you're going with us? I was like just not even I was so phased by it being you know early morning that I wasn't prepared. And they, they kicked my buddy Jeff out and they're like yeah, you don't. You know, you don't have a choice. You can either do this the easy way or the hard way. This is what your mom has us doing house. I was doing um, and I was so fucking angry, dude, and I I didn't understand it at first and so, like you know, I got up, I got my clothes on and then my mom was just like in her face crying, and in the living room and they're like you have anything to say? And I was like mom, I had to look at me. I was like fuck you. And I just like left middle of night, didn't know like we were on an airplane. We flew out of ontario and then I landed, didn't know like we were on an airplane. We flew out of Ontario and then I landed I didn't know we were even in Idaho.
Speaker 3:I went to this wilderness boot camp and then I went to an emotional growth boarding school, northwest Academy for, you know, past 18 years old and graduated and, you know, got a good high school diploma out of that thing and I got a ton of emotional growth and emotional development from that place. But just to fast forward, that that's when I was 18. So I still have this Explorer. Before I left to go to that school I rolled it and I rolled it in the most dumb ass way.
Speaker 3:I was behind a gas station in a dirt lot and I caught a rut you know typical dude and then on the lit. So it was sitting in storage forever. Got it back when I was, you know, out of there, probably like 19, and my buddy, andrew Neal like he started this shop, neal Motorsports, and we started in his garage and then we we brought it over there and I like I'm like I'm gonna redo this thing and I had Bobby at Solo like make six-inch over four-wheel drive beams all TIG welded. I cut the front out Like I just started removing way more stuff off of it than parts that I could afford. You know the typical.
Speaker 2:Typical yep, Take it apart.
Speaker 3:Got to make it a race car man, I'm like I'll get it, We'll get this.
Speaker 3:We're going to get this for like, with no means of understanding of the finances it's going to take to get. Did I ruin so many cars doing the same thing? Yeah, it's just. Yeah, it's literally just it, it definitely. But the thing is it gave me that. That explorer gave me several learning opportunities, because that's kind of the ticket, I think. With a lot of getting into entry-level fabrication, it's so hard to just jump in, even sweeping the floors. Man, it's just tough for companies that are thrashing. They want, like, experienced fabricators and I think that the best way to do it, if you can do it, is to cut your teeth on your own shit, like regardless, and that's what I did with the explorer. We cut it apart, I put coilovers on this and that built this engine cage that you know. Neil closed that thing down pretty soon. Then it goes into my garage and then I'm like I'm gonna rebuild this now I know some more stuff. I'm gonna cut this out. I'm gonna fuck, I got it the whole cage, cut the floors out like two inch chromoly in there.
Speaker 3:This is when I was like 22. I was just doing it out of my garage. I had a air-cooled TIG welder, you know, and this let's go to 18 again. When I came back I didn't know what I was gonna do with with my life. I came back I was very cleansed emotionally. I was almost like an airhead, because I was, so I was not immune to how the world works. I was like in a bubble of like love and acceptance there. And then I'd start seeing violence and all this shit and it was traumatic kind of. And I was just.
Speaker 3:I got a job working with my stepdad at 18 and that was entry level fabrication. He owned her dig ink. Um, it was a non-union structural steel and iron worker shop. Big, big, gnarly shit, five ton cap cranes, bay cranes, you know presses, all the big heavy duty stuff. And the guys there, even though I was my stepdad, I was the son they did not treat me like that. They treated me like I was a grunt and so I was like, well, I was, I was not welding at all, I was sanding a handrail for months, dang like dude. That's crazy, like you know, like on horses, that the shop's not sealed, it's just like two big you know roofs and then each end is open. So they like fly stuff, a crane, set it in my area and then I'd have like a big old Cadillac grinder, you know like, with a big old stone wheel on it, and I'd sit there, for you know, months straight and just finishing out where all their nasty-ass flux core welds are on the doors. Dude, that's wild right.
Speaker 2:Do you know why they do that?
Speaker 1:Why.
Speaker 2:We do it in off-road. You give them the hardest most stupid, ridiculous job, to see if they can cut their teeth on it, if they can do it for months and not be a bitch about it.
Speaker 3:You give them more stuff. You're totally right. And it's also just to learn the fundamentals, dude, you have to think about it like that too. You shouldn't be able to have your dessert and do your fucking welding and all this unless you fucking have all your vegetables and all this shit first, like the same, you know. So then it trickled into okay, I want you to. You're going to use this hydraulic punch and you need to use the crane, so you're gonna, you know, you're gonna pick stuff and then you're gonna put it over here and you're gonna punch these things and finish that.
Speaker 3:And that's what I did. And then all of a sudden I'm using like the big automated, like horizontal bandsaw, you know, like a lubricated bandsaw with auto feed, and doing that for months, you know it didn't. I never welded, you know, for a year. And then finally I started trickling into the welding. Gary closed that big shop in City of Industry and he moved down to San Clemente at the same time. I was doing a lot of driving for him. So I'd have like this dodge diesel that he had a big old dually stick shift, you know like six speed cummins thing, and I'd take a gooseneck to different water treatment plants and drop stuff off using a thomas guide and all that.
Speaker 3:I miss those you don't miss those dude you can do it the hard way, you can do it the easy way yeah, and I think those are great to have, especially if shit hits the fan. I think Thomas guys are epic, you know. So that trickled into going down to San Clemente and that was like 20 still, maybe 19 or 20, and I learned, I started learning from Rick down there. He was, he worked at San Onofre at the nuclear power plant and he was like a very fundamental TIG welder guy, by the book, certified, you know, like every season he was he, and so that's how I started learning TIG welding is I never learned TIG welding from motorsports.
Speaker 3:I learned TIG welding from like hardcore, you know metal, fab, ironworking, like what tungstens, this, that absolutely no pulse. You know like just fundamentals, and it was a great. When I look at it, like back then I was just working a job, I was smoking weed, like taking bong tokes at lunch, you know all this shit, and I didn't look at what it was doing. And what it was doing is it was building insane tools for my toolbox, my life toolbox, because, dude, it's the same thing. We were doing structural and architectural and I was starting to take all the weight and the load from the architectural side. So all the aluminum and the stainless, all the finishing all the sanding.
Speaker 1:All that was me you know and I was learning how to guys never understand how it crosses over.
Speaker 3:And then like when it does cross over.
Speaker 1:You're like Whoa, wait a minute.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so that stuff gave me a great premise. When I look at it now and it, it took a lot of years to figure out like wow, that was a great tool, instead of just like man'm fucking, I'm just this deadbeat dude that you know I, I'm just a replaceable person.
Speaker 1:You know, that's. That's exactly what I always think about, though, too.
Speaker 2:Go ahead no, I was gonna say when you have the mindset of I'm just a replaceable person yeah that's the worst I've been there and it just. You just go to work like, yeah, whatever it's gonna get. Well, yeah, but before there is.
Speaker 1:There is, uh, an argument. Point to that, though, too, because, like the world now is entitlement like everybody's entitled, yeah and they don't think that they're replaceable, like that. So once you show them that they're replaceable, it's like hey, fuck you, dude. Like we can replace you in a day. Like you better work your ass off to get better.
Speaker 2:I totally agree with that. I totally agree with that. But I think, like when you're, when you're young and morgan, I'm sure, even though you were doing the structural for your stepdad, um, you were probably still mindset I want to build my, my, my explorer right or like I was like my thing yeah so you're going to work and you're and I'm not putting words in your mouth but if it was me, my mindset was always cars and you know other stuff.
Speaker 2:And I actually started out not an off-road, I used to build beer tanks. When I first, at 17, I started building beer tanks, um, and, like you just said, some of those tools I learned transferred over the finish work, I think, is where I benefited from it, because the beer systems had to be perfect. Um, but you're in a different mindset. You're like I don't want to be here I was at least, and then it transferred into I hate my job, I want to go somewhere else did you guys use that?
Speaker 1:or, morgan, did you use that as motivation, or did you were just like? I don't know here's the deal.
Speaker 3:I didn't have ambition like I did or like I do now. It was I. I was so like I was still consumed with partying, right, like Like doing coke drinking and smoking weed during the day, all day. I was a stoner Like. I was a heavy duty stoner, so I don't think my ambitions were in check at all. Uh, at least for that period of time.
Speaker 3:I got in some trouble, uh law trouble in 19, 20, and then still working for my stepdad. There was like to transition to the next part is I always have been drawing. That's been my life, like this table or this desk reminds me of that, because it's either I was going to sleep on this thing or I was drawing on this thing. Throughout my years of school where it was an issue. It was a huge issue. The teachers were like always calling in meetings with my parents Morgan's going to stop drawing. We tell him to stop. He doesn't. Like all my friends I used to draw stuff for and I wanted to design cars.
Speaker 3:When I got in that bout of trouble, I started to look at, like what do I want to really do? Am I going to keep doing metal work or should I like pursue this thing and that was where I did get a drive and I I think it was just from being a little bit sick and tired, but I wasn't done with my vices yet. Um and I, I started taking courses to go to arts and recall design. Um, to take prerequisite courses to be accepted, because they, they're very stringent with their portfolios. You can't just like get, give a portfolio and get in like they'll fail you and they did. They failed me once and then I kept going, uh, and then I got accepted. That was too. That's just important with this because that was a huge part of my sense of design with stuff as I went to design school on.
Speaker 1:That was like my dream but those things don't just happen, though, because, like you're everything that you've described to date, whether you talk about any of the, the in your words, I think you said something like the uh well, the stoner and the, the stuff that you were not praised for, right, you fighting and all this stuff yeah, the vices that's already used Uh, those still were were a big piece of the equation in your life, but you never lost the drive. You always had a passion for doing something. You didn't stop work. You still went to work. Even if it sucked, you still went and grinded it out Like you were still a hard worker.
Speaker 3:Definitely, and I think that's part of that is ADHD, which I do believe in. I don't, like you know some people will think that's bullshit, but I I I know that's a thing. Part of that is is just being able to create stuff with your hands and just being able to build something and get that, that instant gratification or just that satisfaction of doing that, and I think that nourishes you. Yeah, absolutely part of it is also coping like just doing something, um, to feel better than doing nothing. Part of it is survival, of having to collect some kind of a paycheck. If we just fast forward in this stuff.
Speaker 3:There is a point where I did know I had. I didn't know what it was, but I knew that I had more to offer to the world than what I was doing. And I don't mean that in an egotistical way or like am I, like? I'm shit, I fucking it's just.
Speaker 3:There was something like when I because I dropped out of college and then I started working for my fucking stepdad again doing steel, again the same shit, the same people were there, like all of it, and I felt like a failure for a bit and then I started like just I'm like this is not it. I know I have more to offer, but I was too fucked up in my own, in my own tracks, I was in my way, that I couldn't figure out what that was or how to do it, but I just knew that feeling. Yeah, that was it, you know. And I put a lot of that feeling into building my truck, beth, when I was doing the structural steel stuff, because that was my thing, like on the weekend, I you know, on friday, saturday, sunday, that was like what I did and I just went so hard into that, um, unknowingly what, what was happening?
Speaker 1:we actually got a comment in from mob worthy. That said, appreciate the honesty. We're losing this today and, to be honest, that's one of the main reasons that I wanted to have you on the show is because I have this discussion. Well, mila youa, you and I have talked about this a million times and I've talked about it with Morgan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just like I don't want to say that the world is fucked up because it's not right. It's the people in the world that make their own choices that make it fucked up. People make good choices, people make bad choices. But I do think that his comment is very true. We are losing this. Ben is very true, we are losing this ben. What would you say, like, in your opinion, if you're going to walk up to a 16 year old kid, uh that maybe has a single parent life, or uh is a stoner or whatever it is, and they're losing that motivation and drive that you had, do you tell them, hey, go pick up a welder, go grab some steel, go buy a used car, like what first?
Speaker 3:off if if someone's a stoner, I don't care that. That was just my. I don't care. That was just my reference. I don't care if people are smoking weed or not.
Speaker 1:Neither do we. I'm just saying, if they do.
Speaker 3:But it's so tough because at 16, dude, I don't think I would listen to any motherfucker. And it was the same thing with, like I talked to my wife, I think, yesterday, like I didn't have like a mentor or anything. A lot of people have like a mentor and when I look and I didn't have a father figure, I had my stepdad, but he was 20 years older than my mom. He was 65 when I was born. He wasn't like physically available for much. He was doing the best he could and he was great. But I've never had people that were in my ear Like hey Morgan, listen up. You know you need to fucking blah, blah, blah. And there actually is gum under the desk, I can feel it.
Speaker 2:I was going to ask you about that and you know you and I have talked about this. I relate to you in so many more ways because I also was grown up single mom did her best no father figure, angry at the world, bro, and she thought I was going to jail. What she did for me was if you want to drive your car at 16, I'm buying you one. Now. You have to build it. That's going to keep you occupied. You're going to get a skill and maybe you'll do something and not go to jail.
Speaker 2:But when you get a little older, do you think those tendencies are so hard to shake? And I want to touch on that because instagram, facebook, all the apps these days, I think is killing the mentality of someone that says I want to do that but I don't want to work 10 years to get there. Yeah, I mean, look at this dude. He's got it like. If you look at your page, I don't know what you have 50 grand, 52 000 something. I don't, it doesn't matter, but you worked your ass off to get you where you're at.
Speaker 1:Are you talking about followers? Yeah, 160. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:Oh my bad.
Speaker 1:I apologize.
Speaker 3:Something crazy happened.
Speaker 2:I don't know, yeah, but my point is, the reason we want to do this is because, dude, you worked all the trials and tribulations you go through to get to where you're at today. People don't see that. You tell the same story on the podcast and I get it. And this is why we want to have this conversation, because it is blood, sweat and tears to get something out of life and you can't. Going back to George's questions, how would you motivate somebody? To me, I say put the phone down, open your eyes and listen to people that have been there, because when you and I were coming up, there was no Instagram. You know, I had like Donnie Prim and Larry Stork and and all the old guys telling me, do it this way. And you said I didn't have the mentor. Like how would you handle that now?
Speaker 3:Yeah, and just going back to that, if I had to give a 16 year old kid advice, I think it's just for me, my perspective is only the one that I know myself and how I would be receptive to hearing input at 16 years old, and it would have to be from someone I do respect. It would have to be from someone that has something that I want you know, like it's a choir which you admire. It would have to be someone that and really, I think, really I think for 16 year olds, maybe that doesn't come with with respecting or admiring values. It probably comes from materialistic stuff, right? Um, just because that's easy, you know. Then look at this guy. He has this, this, this and he does that, that, that and cool, whatever he says goes, and I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing if that guy that has that stuff is giving the right message.
Speaker 3:I, just when I was 16, it just I don't know if I would have been receptive. I had to figure shit out the hard way and that's like how I am. I've never fallen for peer pressure with anything. I've never been in a. I've peer pressured people but I've never fallen victim to that myself, and I think that stubbornness. That's what's tough. I don don't know. I would do the best I could to give advice to these kids, but unless they have something that's trickling into their blood that makes them want to do something or have ambition, that's where it has to start period.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think the want needs to be there more than the guidance, like you just said and there is kids out there for sure that are hungry and motivated and I and they reach out to me and I definitely talk to them.
Speaker 1:It's kind of crazy that you're saying that stuff too, because, like I've asked a bunch of people this question. You'll just be sitting there and let's just say, you ask a 15 or 16 year old kid, you're like, hey, what do you want to do? They go, I don't know. And like guys like us, for instance and I'm not saying this, like you said, in an egotistical comment but there's never been a point in my life that I never knew what I wanted. Like I already know what I want to eat and we're not even there yet, right. Like I already know exactly what I want in the next step of my life. And it's never been an issue. But if the kids don't are confused by social media and they have all of these things, but they see somebody like you, for instance, you are that role model for them, right, and you just tell them you know what, like maybe you are lost, but, motherfucker, if you like the shit that I'm doing, go out and fucking do it.
Speaker 2:And you don't always have to do it the same exact way. But I think the core of it is you just got to try and you just got to do it. I mean, that's all it is.
Speaker 3:To get to the end end, you have to walk there I think you're right about that, but I also think too, with so many platforms we have like, especially with how much saturation there is, there's also positive saturation. It there's tons of stuff I could have used when I was younger on instagram or so or youtube where I'd be like fuck, this motherfucker is saying some shit that I can hear you. You know like there's people I listened to that have changed my life just in the last like couple years where, if I would have heard that stuff when I was 16 to 25 years old, like Andy Frisella or you know, some people are weird about Wes Watson, but I don't give a fuck because some of that message I've heard that guy, and when people are screaming in my earbuds motherfucker, you can't be a fucking bitch. You need to fucking show the fuck up and don't stop and fucking do what you need to do every day. Thank you, I can hear that. It's like a little voice that I can actually hear. I think there's tons of stuff to see.
Speaker 2:Do you think at 16, when you were struggling, that would have resonated Someone in your ear? Because I'll tell you, it wouldn't have resonated, For me if I was hungover one day like after another party.
Speaker 1:That would probably be like a good wake-up call.
Speaker 2:I think that there was a guy Is Wes Watson, the guy you sent to me and I'm like dude, he's too intense for me Probably.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:He gets a lot of flack now but really is his old stuff, like he did. He did like 10 years in in the pen and then he came out with a message and he used to sit on this park bench dude, this was his good stuff and he would. Just, he would have these messages that were so simple and to the point and structured and based on routine and stacking wins in the morning. All that and like that stuff hit me so good. I think that if someone, if my mom, knew someone like that and that guy came into my house and goes, hey, motherfucker, and started strong-arming me like that, that's what I would need. I'd probably need that guy to put me in a headlock and put physical violence and stress into me to get me like scared, straight style Exactly.
Speaker 1:Like dude, exactly like sorry. That's what you need. Yeah, because it needs to be above and beyond your mentality we got no conquer me. Yeah, I like the way where the subject's going and like what the stuff we're talking about. I want to get a little deeper but like there's been a bunch of good comments that have come in, uh, some talking about like uh, you know, like willow og had talked about bringing back trades in high school, where you got wood shop or auto class, all that stuff.
Speaker 1:Honestly, I think that's fantastic, but the way the world is, it's just fucked. There's just too much.
Speaker 3:That's a deep conversation on the world being fucked and education in general. We're in a big problem. Well, not a problem, but this year we decided to homeschool logan because we've had so many issues and you know the private school. We've had in private school his whole life and and now you know what's going on. I don't think it's something we should lean into, but it has to do with that too, like what good is is auto or woodshop if we still have all the garbage going on. Like you know, restructured.
Speaker 3:I think there was a podcast I listened to where there's a certain group of people that are creating schools, and I think there's even some in SoCal where they're like strong, moral and value-based American-style schools, you know, and they're private schools, but they're like these guys, like us, would take our kids to these schools. And I think that's the way to change a lot of this is just fuck all the school districts and go private Go private, but public.
Speaker 2:Just bring morals back, man. That's all it is. We got a couple other comments. Come in.
Speaker 1:One of them was saying that he was a mechanic in the Air Force. The comments are coming in too quick so I can't keep up.
Speaker 3:I see some of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so if you do see some of them that mean anything, just interrupt us. But yeah, and like they were talking about all that stuff and, like you said, we don't want to get too far into it because it would be a whole other layer of the conversation, but some of the stuff that you're talking about is very meaningful in the way that you deal with every single day of your life and your mindset. Right, Because you have this drive to create things and it's in your blood, it's in your soul. Right, some kids might not, some adults might not, which is fine, but you figure out a way to how do I say this? Make the right choices.
Speaker 1:They were not always the right choice but you figured it out, and the reason I say this is because I want to bring this up. I always tell everybody I live my life by three things Perception, or, excuse me, perception, choices and accountability. If you have an open perception, then you can see things what they really are and that's clear, and that makes it so that your choices are easier and that makes it so that your accountability goes away if you make the right choice. But if you fuck up and you're accountable for it, then your choice next time is different. Right, and that's what you've done Like. That's how you've lived your life. Whether you followed that same thing or not doesn't matter, but that's how you've learned to be at the point that you're at, because you were accountable for the stuff that was fucked up, and now you're doing a much better job owning it and being a different person.
Speaker 3:There's yeah, there's two there's two aspects to that. The common thing is is is is you know, learning the hard way and lessons. You know there's mistakes and there's lessons. That's the classic thing for me is you know a mistake is something you do twice, um, and then a lesson is something it's simply just a mistake that you do once and you learn from, and I think that's applied to everything like that. That's that's the simplest way to look at it.
Speaker 3:Right, it's like if you, if you, you fuck up once I allot myself, I'll fuck up in everything. Just in general, because I that's how I learn I like crash into something and then I figure it out and then I move around. When you're starting to do that repetitively, you know, and that's with devices and stuff, that's where it becomes a detriment, you know, and you get sucked into that stuff. So I think it's okay to learn the hard way, and I've definitely. That's what I've done my whole life. I don't know if I saw that clearly two decades ago or something, but now it's clear and I just accept it. It's the same with building stuff. I fuck up at least once everything.
Speaker 2:Well, a good fabricator never fucks up, he just covers it well.
Speaker 3:They do that with design too right, it's make it look proper.
Speaker 2:Make it look like it was supposed to be there.
Speaker 1:Hey, so let's get on a more positive note. I really like the design aspect that you include in everything that you do, right? I had come up to Evan Weller's shop the other day to work on the Honda Ridgeline. You weren't there. I tried to say hi, I hardly worked. One of your guys said he's designing today. I said wow, that's interesting. Then I thought, as I was walking away, I go, that's fucking rad.
Speaker 2:He separated himself so he was focused on the thing that he was doing can I just point out too uh, it's rad because I'm looking at all the arms you have behind you. You have such a talent to take from mine to put to paper. It's, it's, it's an ability. I consider myself a pretty decent fabricator. I consider myself building some pretty cool trucks, but I've never been able to take in my mind and sketch it out on a piece of paper exactly how I envision it to be when it's done. It's such a talent, dude, and I have it and I'll scribble something down, and then I'm just like okay, I got to go. It's such a talent, dude, so props to you, thank you.
Speaker 1:Is it hard to harness that? Like, is it hard to do that Because most people can't, I can't.
Speaker 3:I think my greatest gift is like sketching and designing. I don't think it's building stuff or crafting stuff with my hands. I think the harness part is so like. Let's cover two things. First, mila, you said sketching and drawing.
Speaker 3:I call it visual communication and it's just a great tool because it helps me get through a process. If I was just to, you know, tell a guy or express something of how I especially with these arms, the machine parts I don't have the capability to go into the computer and digitally engineer that stuff, so I have to use this as a form of communication to get across what, instead of being like I want this here, I want tension here and roll over here. If I'm just doing this, you guys are going to understand two different things than I am. So visual communication is the key because I can. I can put something to paper that all of our eyes can understand, even if we don't speak the same language. Yeah, and on top of that, the client gets to see what they you know they're invested in this stuff. This shit is expensive, it costs a lot of money. So instead of just winging it where they think they have an understanding, boom, they can look at it like same with the arms, like ryan's.
Speaker 3:Jennings has gone through and I give him examples. I go hey, hey, here's, you know, sheet A, b, c, d, e. You know, let me know what you like. And he's like Ooh, I really like A3 and we can pick from that and then I can start molding into that. So it's an absolute blessing to do and it's I think I'm probably the only person that offers some kind of a service like that but it's also for efficiency with our builds. You know, someone wants to spend 60 grand on a dash. Think about that. They want that. They want to know exactly what that looks like. I want to be able to build it. I want to be able to build it, exactly what they're going to be happy seeing.
Speaker 2:And on top of that, I have a blueprint now now I'm not just going to say that, I was just going to say that that last dash you built I forget what car was for it like matched your drawing almost perfect. I've never been able to do that. I kind of sketch it out and I'm like this goes here and nothing like what you're doing.
Speaker 1:I think it's cool, though, too. Then you know, what's funny about that too is, like I've noticed, uh, we started a company about like doing streaming for off-road cars and stuff like that, and I've had to recreate all the circuitry and circuit boards and all that stuff that goes into these things, like we started out with with buying consumer products, and then I don't know how to fucking do that like I never, but I figured it out right and all of a sudden, like I'm drawing these diagrams and sending them over to china and they're making these circuit boards and doing all this crazy stuff. And it's pretty cool, because then all of a sudden, like to me I don't know if you get the same feeling. It's like it feeling. It's like you see the process and you're like no fucking way, that's how it was in my head, that's how it turned out on paper and that's how it turned out in real life, and it's like it brings a smile to your face.
Speaker 3:Totally. And what you were saying about being able to separate design time versus fabrication time. Sometimes that's just a necessity. You see the shop or the studio. I don't have an office, so the office is at home. It does get extremely difficult to delegate time when I get home because you know I don't show this, but usually every time I get in, you know, I step in the door and the kids are like dad, dad, dad, and they boom, they run, and I have two kids in my hands within 15 seconds and that's that's it.
Speaker 3:You know it's usually where I end up, so sometimes I need to leave during the day to get some of that done, and my office is at my house, you know. So it's not necessarily by design. If you would have been where we're at a different facility and I had an office, I probably would have been in there doing that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just, I just think it's cool. Like when I walked away from there I was like you know what that is so rad. Like I appreciate the fact that he's giving himself time to make sure that he's doing the things that are going to benefit everybody that's already in the shop. Like it's just sick dude.
Speaker 3:Well, that's the thing. It's that Just sick dude. Well, that's the thing. And the greatest part is, no matter how stressed I get with all this stuff, I'm still so grateful because if I'm like, oh my God, I'm going to have to fucking stay up all night tonight and design these billet uprights for the Dakar, and I'm able to step out and go, dude, awesome.
Speaker 2:Cool, awesome, right, yeah, what are we tripping? I mean, we have no bad days at our jobs, I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 3:And so that a lot of that just comes from necessity, because, yeah, it is, it's something where I'm I am working with my hands full time but then I am juggling, you know, two employees, two offsite employees, and then we're we've got a pretty good system with, like, how we order parts and setting up projects. You know, every project requires other people doing other stuff from other companies and other states, and it's just a thing.
Speaker 1:So sometimes I have to concentrate that work. It kind of gets like I don't know, irritating, like I've been in a bunch of different meetings with like Amazon and like all these massive companies, right, and you see the structure of how they work and you're like, motherfucker, just get it done now. Like can we just do it? Like just fucking no, we got to do this paperwork, we gotta do all this shit, so the stuff that we're talking about. We could go on for days, but I love the fact that you can allot the time to be able to do the things that make everybody's lives better. Hey, one of the things that I wanted to to ask at the beginning of the show I forgot, and you talked about the kids and you talked about your creative workflows and stuff. Can you kind of pinpoint two of the most important things that you have in your life right now?
Speaker 1:I'm I just kids and taylor period so that's, that's where I was going and that's the perfect answer. Yeah, because you have. You have motivation from that, you know, and I think that there's a lot of life that people have yet to live, whether they're young or older, because they don't understand that capability and that capability of love. It doesn't matter if it's your family, you could fucking hate your family, but you love something else, right? You love your dog, you love, you know, your girlfriend, whatever it is. If you can utilize those things, I'm gonna help yourself.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna answer the gym thing at some point.
Speaker 1:We'll keep going okay, if you can have that happiness in your soul, yeah. Then you get to the point where you can do stuff like morgan does and have your design time and have your fabrication time I agree and I disagree, because I can operate in some nasty spots.
Speaker 3:Um, you know, I can feel hopeless. I can feel like there's everything is dark, everything is crumbling around me and I have created something in my brain where I can go to work and I can do the same amount of work, if not work harder, really but I don't know if that's a sustainable thing. Now I think you can. You know, they call that dark energy or negative energy, and some days are like that, even if I have this beautiful woman that loves me and supports me and these kids, some days my own brain is dark like that and insecure and negative thoughts and everything's shitty. And I'm still the greatest thing, like people.
Speaker 3:When I've been in hard spots, at least over the last three years, people are like Morgan, what you're doing, just don't fucking stop. You know, don't fucking stop. And I've applied that and I think there's so much power you gain from every time you do that. You know. Yes, definitely, having a support system is huge. Having a woman that supports you is huge. Having a wife that supports you, kids that support you, all of that stuff is absolutely a huge blessing. I think you can operate the other way, but I don't think you can do it sustainably.
Speaker 3:You know, I don't think it's as effective. Yeah, I really don't.
Speaker 2:It's not in this industry, in our industry, yeah, in our industry, you have to have a very strong support system to succeed.
Speaker 3:It's there's no, in my opinion yeah, if I didn't have the support system I had, nope, I'd probably be down the road that you were at at 20 years old and I think that you, you know you can see it a lot when and I'm not discounting anybody's like marriage or how it works, but sometimes the women need, they require a lot more of time with you or they require you to to split some of the duties with the kids, you know, and take care of things like that. And that's the greatest blessing I've been with Taylor since I was 16. Things like that, and that's the greatest blessing I've been with Taylor since I was 16. We've been through everything she's. You know we've had some on and offs, but no matter what, I mean just by our kids. We're supposed to be together, you know. And now it's this thing where it's. It's so insanely supportive. I don't even know what it would be like without that and I think what it comes down to is just like.
Speaker 3:That's why I summed it up to love, and I don't mean to get mushy like that, but that's that's what I look at, cause I'm like okay, and I've I've thought about this, especially over, like last month, but I'm like okay, what like? What is it? What was my thing? What made me like use or what made me drink or what made me need validation or acceptance, and when I was younger and I'm like my mom didn't like she filled so much of the dad part too that she loved me like unconditionally but oversaturated, insane amounts of love, and so I grew up since I was born getting that love and so I expect that I, I expect that I need that around, and if I can't get it here, then I got to go find out how to get it over here, you know, because it's like a void in my own self that I don't have or I haven't learned how to fill internally.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Does that?
Speaker 3:make sense.
Speaker 1:Oh, a hundred percent.
Speaker 1:It makes, yeah, well, even yeah, it's crazy that you say that too because, well, you've been through a lot of stuff in your life, right, and just like all of us have, and those times when you feel that even if the person's not around it gives you the motivation to be able to push through it.
Speaker 1:And I felt that on my dying bed, right, like, and I know that that those things drive you. It's actually getting me teared up just thinking about it, because you're right in the argument point that you made to me and said the darkness fuels you too, because there was some points that I wanted to throw myself off a cliff, right, oh yeah, but I was like you know what? No, fuck that. Like, these people don't deserve to see me leave. I'm going to win at this. Like, there's no way that you're not going to see me be a better person tomorrow, and then the next day and the next day, and it keeps rolling. Dude, I appreciate that you're sharing so much because it really really gets me like tomorrow I'm gonna do a fucking better job than I did today what are?
Speaker 2:you gonna say uh, dude, I was just gonna touch on the fact that you know once again I'm kind of relating to you is our youth has now been defined by what we are doing now, and what you and Taylor have is what now Logan and Enzo are looking at and that you didn't have, or I didn't have, when I was a kid. So now they have something to model themselves from your hard work, her good parenting and you together, and not fighting, that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 1:I didn't say not fighting.
Speaker 3:Well, you're still together. Yeah, yeah, no, but yes, we have our struggles and we do get in fights. We all do. We're married and it's like that. But I think the bottom line is we know our purpose is to be with each other, you know, and that's the end game, and it's the that's the end game, and it's the same with the kids. I need to see these kids with parents that are loving and raising these kids.
Speaker 2:I need to see that in a push forward, positive environment. I'm assuming you're I mean, I'm not assuming anything, but I'm assuming from the videos that I see with your boys you're interactive with them. Man, that's not a dad's home, he's going to go in the garage and I'm not going to see him, kind of thing.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. No, I'm constantly with them or active when I'm here, it's just I get tired. The same way other people get tired sometimes, you know, and there's always those struggles like where they want to go, go, go, and sometimes it's hard. I do the best I can. I think being physically healthy is key for some of that. Let's touch on the gym.
Speaker 2:I just because someone asked about the gym thing and that that was something I just.
Speaker 3:There's so much to exercising and mental health associated with the physical health. I can't stress it enough. It's not that I'm just like a meathead that needs to go to the gym. There's a mental key there. Once you unlock that. You cannot not have that.
Speaker 2:Seriously.
Speaker 3:It's been so good for me and it clears my mind. I don't know who that was, but you asked how do I make time for that? I never used to be a morning person ever. I was always fuck the morning. The only time to be a morning person ever, I was always the morning. The only time I was a morning person is if you're going to the desert. Then I'm like what is it? 3, 30, let's go. Yeah, let's go. Yeah, give me a monster. So I, uh, I started.
Speaker 3:You know my buddy, rich with color tech. He's the one who, like he, designed our logos and stuff. And, um, you know, I asked him. I saw him starting to go to the gym. He was checking in.
Speaker 3:It was like four o'clock, 4, 30, and I'm like dude, what are you? How are you doing this? Like what, what is all this? And he's like you know, wes watson, I was like no, and he, he fired an episode off to me, like I did to you, mila, and it was like early in the morning and I and I'd never seen this guy and this guy's like calling me a bitch on, like stuff, and you know, get your shit, and blah, blah. And I I started to realize this and then he's like dude, once you just do it, you just start doing it.
Speaker 3:And I I did start doing it, but I it was also because I didn't want to compromise the time in the evening when I have a family and kids here.
Speaker 3:If I want to invest in myself just for myself, even though it renders a better person, I shouldn't be compromising the time that my family's expecting to be with me. And so getting up early that's and I've done this before but the, the commitment and the, when you get mentally, when you tell yourself the night before hey, I'm going to wake up at three, 30 and you do it like you're already on a, on a good one. And then boom, you get to the gym and you exercise and you put yourself through a physical stress and endurance before you even start your work day. You feel like you have this win and you're clear and dude. People are still sleeping by then, so I'm already done exercising hours before my kids are even up, you know. And then, boom, I get to the shop and the greatest part is with like the exercising in the morning is I can sort all of like I wake up with just shit of just thoughts and stuff.
Speaker 3:Like I can't like everything is flying, like where I have to grab one, figure out, well, maybe grab that, grab that, and going to the gym it does something where it like it mellows everything to the point where I can just pick one thing and I can handle that. And I can pick one thing, I can handle that. And then anything that I need to deal with, whether that's with my guys, whether that's problem solving, whether I've made some kind of mistake we have to find a solution for or one of my guys says or I have clients that I need to talk to, or someone's upset I don't have all that pent-up bullshit that you would normally wake up with. That would come out sideways on other people.
Speaker 1:It's yeah, and you can. You can flush it out, right everything is so manageable, not a trophy truck ass how many hours you get of sleep five to six five.
Speaker 2:It's not enough, brother five to six.
Speaker 3:Well, like on the weekends, I'll sleep in, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I slept in, but five to six I run pretty good. Sometimes I'll grab a creeper and I'll take a nap like a 25-minute nap at lunch Dude surprisingly good.
Speaker 2:Surprisingly good A creeper nap, yeah, a creeper nap yeah.
Speaker 1:Surprisingly good. Should you make that a thing, a creeper nap?
Speaker 2:Dude 20 minutes during the day.
Speaker 1:Re there, dude, 20 minutes during the day, recharge you, man, uh, uh. What's the thing that like? Well, actually I'll ask this in a different way, so we see all the arm drawings that you have behind you. Do you ever get creative block or redder's block? You know what I mean. Like is there times when you're just like dude, you know what I can't. It's not coming out like. I gotta go work out, I gotta do this like, and how do you overcome those?
Speaker 3:um, I I don't know, I don't get creator's not coming out Like, I got to go work out, I got to do this Like, and how do you overcome those? I don't, no, I don't get creator's block. I think that this stuff, a lot of this stuff. Can you hear the hamster drinking right now? No, no, okay, cool, there's like a hamster with like the ball bearing thing. Oh, is he going hard right now? Yeah, he's like holding it, the. Uh, I. I think that a lot of this stuff is so like our projects are so built from, like formful as function, that you can really staple down what needs to happen with every particular shape and part, and then you can hone design into that.
Speaker 2:And it takes so long to get through these steps that you have a chunks of time, you know, to figure out design and creativity when you designed because I always think of, um, how I design things do you design it like basic and then flare it, or do you just start with the flare and then whittle it down to geometrically correct and stuff like that, uh, it just like it's like, say, triangulation, or like, uh, ibeam pockets and stuff like this.
Speaker 3:It would all depend on the, the priority of the functionality first. So if it's something that is has reservations for strength and integrity, then I'd hone it to that um and then trim it as we can and twist it as we can. If it's some big shit, like remember the exotic pre-runner, there was like crazy stuff in the back of that thing, like big substructures and those I planned out and. And if it's, if it's really big stuff, I sketch it first, uh, and I get a bearing and and a lot of times the sketching. There's so many of those on the wall because I have to start figuring out visually and physically what the flow and the language wants With that. It's the same thing with some of these projects. I will sketch some of the big stuff out and usually I've kind of preached about it, like some of it is living in the discomfort of it because it's not done yet and until it comes together it's like some weird shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I agree, but I don't really get caught up on any writer's block. I think my only thing is like using you referenced, using the gym to kind of free up some space, um, or some mental real estate, and that's. But my just my brain needs that. Sometimes it it's always based on situational stuff with interactions, communication, projects, clients, things like that, business stuff, finances, things like that. That really stress me out, where I get to a point where I'm like, oh my God, what are we going to do? Fucking blah, blah. This feels like it's over. I still go to those places, it's just I know that they'll pass, so it's, how do I get into a good spot where I can function when those things are coming? Because I don't think those times and that thought process ever goes away. It's just how you manage it.
Speaker 3:So yeah sometimes I shoot into the gym at lunch or something, just because I know I can like just do some kind of a little shock to my brain to get back into a better space, a higher frequency, if you will.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then it gets you back on track. Mia's Bug just asked if you're going to use any more composites in any of your builds or any of your products.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. You know, for us it's just. I'm like still I hate saying like old school, but I don't have the capabilities myself for a lot of like the digital engineering. So, like the Range Rover, the car prototype, and the big Range Rover that we're going to do for Jennings, that's all going to be carbon body panels. I'd love to incorporate more. It's just I think that time delegation is going to have to start going into me learning how to use like alias yeah, or solar or something, because it's just, if I had that, that tool in my toolbox, I would use it. There's no reason I wouldn't. It's just I'm so familiar and it's very easy to get stuck just doing the same thing, doing it by hand, cutting the stuff on the bandsaw, this and that, because you're like, you're in the everyday hustle of doing that stuff that you can't find the time to learn and gain new tools and knowledge.
Speaker 1:I'd love to incorporate more carbon. So I like that. The answer that he gave too is I've actually been having a problem with a few of my employees not wanting to do stuff that's outside of their toolbox, like they're not. Why can't we just do it this way? I'm like no motherfucker do it different, and they won't listen to me because they don't want to get outside. I love that you answered that. Yeah, I absolutely would If I could expand my toolbox you'll never grow unless you try.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's kind of hard though, dude, it's really hard. So whenever you did do those, or when you do those designs, have you ever gone through and been like, all right, this design looks sick, and then you put, like, you know, draw it out? And then you're like, I don't know, put it all together making the mold. Uh, you know doing all your sheet metal work, and then you're like, oh shit, I gotta redo this.
Speaker 3:I can usually make alterations like you're.
Speaker 3:Like you're altering a suit, you know if I need to, if it's mid taylor yeah, a little taylor, but uh no, I usually get a pretty good bearing on it. The thing that happens for me, and I'm sure a lot of people that build stuff, is you see stuff like months down the road and you're like fuck dude, I shouldn't have fucking done it like that. You know like you get a little more frustrated with your older stuff than wanting to do it. You know differently because you just constantly are progressing. Yeah that's true.
Speaker 1:Well, what about the days that you're not progressing? Like, what's the like? What if it's just one of those days that you were just talking about? That's just throwing all the fuck at you and you're just like, dude, tomorrow's going to be better. What do I do today? Like, how do you deal with that stuff? Because a lot of times that happens to people that are in the structural engineering jobs or in the you know welding shop just laying down beads all day, like they don't like it and they want you know, want to get to a point where they can be more creative it.
Speaker 3:For me it's usually when I have to, and it's an adhd thing. It's when I have to repeat some shit or I know I gotta get. I did this side, now I have to do this one and every bone in my body doesn't want to do that and it just I. It's a bummer because at this point I'm like I don't think that goes away. I think that's just part of like the. The tool that you get is how do you deal with that and how do you accept it? And the gains that you get are those not long term, but they're delayed gratification. Right. A lot of people need that, have had it.
Speaker 3:You know history with either substance or adhd. It's an instant gratification thing. You want to get it now, see it now, have it in your hand. Look, I did this now. Oh, I got this right, and so just, it's just like a um, not a tool, but it's. It's something where you just have to get in the routine of being disciplined to do that stuff and it's a constant battle but it never goes away. It's always everything we build usually has. You're building, you know a reverse side of it, a left or a right. You know um, something that needs to mirror it and and sometimes I counter that by just doing both at the same time and keeping them up. I don't know if that answers the dark days that the bottom line is just don't stop with everything. That's the whole thing. You just don't stop, no matter what yeah, I agree, and you can.
Speaker 1:You can apply that everywhere yep, and you can teach yourself little things right like you drop an ice cube on the floor, don't let it melt, fucking get pick it up and throw it away. Right like it. Like those little tiny things, build the fundamentals that will make it so that on those bad days you just push through and it's much easier.
Speaker 2:You know, what I noticed too is when I don't want to do something, I'm like if you do it and you don't think about anything else, you'll be done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just done. You just get done with it and then you're not worried about it. You're like hell. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I just knocked through it and I didn't even want to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's cool man.
Speaker 2:What's been some of the biggest things that you've had to struggle with, like owning your own business, sleep. I can tell you that personally.
Speaker 3:No, I'm good on that.
Speaker 2:Oh, not me.
Speaker 3:I think it's just been finance stuff. It's, you know, robbing Peter to pay Paul is a classic thing that comes up. It's managing money. All these, you know I I say this generalized but all these fabricators that are really talented, it all. It seems like all the guys that are really talented always end up quitting their job and working for themselves and starting their own business and and what you know. You got to think.
Speaker 3:People are going to college and they are spending years learning how to run business, how to take business. They're taking business courses, they're getting degrees in business and I think that's the most difficult thing of being successful at this stuff is really learning business. You know, establishing working capital. I haven't had zero help from anybody whatsoever. I don't have a partner, I don't have investors, I don't have people that like I've had nothing, and so just going from there. I'm grateful for that, but that's been. The issue is how do you manage that financially? And it's the same thing. Like you get into a bond, you keep taking a bunch of projects in and then these projects don't get finished, that are back here because you used all money for that and like it just. It can be a very vicious cycle that can escalate quickly, yeah, and then you have to bust your ass to get these things done.
Speaker 1:Dude 100%.
Speaker 3:I think you know, and I hate to bring it back to this, but I think really, sobriety and being clean has been the greatest gift for business in my whole life, because I'm able to look at these things and I'm able to see patterns and I'm able to see the lessons, instead of just constantly resetting myself or something you know and drowning in my own guilt and shame, where I can't even focus on the shit that's supposed to be thriving.
Speaker 1:That's what I was saying about perception, choices and accountability. Dude, Well, I think hold on. Just just let me ask this question real quick. Unless it was on the subject, it was on the subject.
Speaker 2:Okay, go ahead. I was just gonna say your physical, your physical being so ties into your mental being. If you're not physically fit like you are, uh, it's just uh well, you're in the jujitsu stuff too and I'll tell you, it's opened my whole world up. I wish I did it 20 years ago, because I'd be in a better spot it's so crazy how it affects your mental being.
Speaker 1:Well it's a whole outlet, like I'm not a gym rat or anything, but like I love being out riding my bike. Sure, right?
Speaker 2:uh same thing.
Speaker 1:So this, uh, this comment came in top raymond, top ramen. Uh, what do you think about? Uh, the more organic AI generative design in structures and cars. Will AI take over that aspect? I think AI. I want to let you finish this, but I think AI has a lot of good stuff and I think it's got a lot of shitty stuff. A hundred percent.
Speaker 3:I think AI fucks on a lot of stuff. I've used ChatGPT4 a I'm a sucker for that app because is it frozen? Are you good? No, you're good, okay I. I use chat gpt4 for like all the bullshit dude. You know like taylor's like looking at stuff for the horse's hooves and I'm like have you asked chat gpt and I'll just fire off. You know like it's like the best search engine because it's not fully augmented by politics and power. Yet. I've seen a lot of those cars. There's one car company and whoever they can nail it for us that has like this hyper car that's got you know that generative design.
Speaker 3:Where it's like a deep swamp root system that's grasping all the calipers.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm talking about. I think it's CZ here You're right.
Speaker 3:Yep, that's gorgeous dude. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I've asked chat GPT to render me some images of cars and I'm like, good, motherfucker, that's dog shit. It puts together some cartoon bullshit. Now, like Joanna that we're building a car for, she has this page. I forget what it is, but she does concept AI, like mixes, right, and they're good. They're really good.
Speaker 2:I think there will always be builders and coach builders, but I think AI is an extremely useful tool. See, I'm of the opposite perspective because I'm of the old school where I think if we just leave everything that I got it up but I can't find the caliber, if we leave everything to computers, you and me, it's a lost art bro, and we need to kind of separate ourselves from that and keep the art, like like all the guys that used to build airplanes and the women that would build airplanes in the wars, like to shape the metal, to build a buck and to do all that. It's such talent and it's lost and I just wish a lot of times we could bring that back.
Speaker 1:I don't disagree, but I also feel like, as a business owner like you, should use the tools that are given to you.
Speaker 2:Then you gotta buy a 3d printer. Does it print titanium?
Speaker 3:oh damn it so we already got a carbon. Well, maybe they might have that dude the pill. They got it, so they they do it is audi actually prints brake calipers.
Speaker 1:I can only imagine how much that costs.
Speaker 2:We have a 3d printer we use at work in fact I built some pretty cool stuff for this new truck, but we use 3d printers all the time titanium. Um, I think pagani makes a merge collector for their cars out of titanium with a 3d printer yeah, just imagine, that's not ai design. That's just. Oh, that's just a 3d printer.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's just 3d printer I think that there's there's room for it, but I, no matter what, I don't think ai can ever represent human. Yeah, that's the, that's the stuff. That's a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah it's, it's just 3d printed parts, but uh, I can't find that caliper. But that caliber is pretty intense. It's a whole upright caliper it's, it's like the whole module set up that goes at the end of ours.
Speaker 3:Uh, I saw someone asked about the block where we should talk about that. Yeah, just on the subject of AI, I really think you can't represent what humans can create like you can. I agree, and it's the same thing. Even if someone took, say, for instance, the Dakar prototype and they generated their version of that, it would not feel the same to your eyes and your soul when you look at it straight up. There's something there, at it straight up. There's something there that is there's a human connection to guys that are building cars, that and especially like coach building and forming and shaping that. Just, I don't think you can get that. And you know, like, if you, you know like ring brothers and roadster shop, you you could like see my last year, right, there was two cars, there was two cars that would fluctuate through there. There would be a ring brothers car and a road brothers, yep and a roadster shop and they would have they're.
Speaker 3:They're amazing, but they're a couple clicks below a production car where they feel sterile and I don't, are you guys good?
Speaker 1:yeah, we're good. Yeah, I'm trying to see how to flip this around.
Speaker 3:Go ahead, keep going so they just feel sterile, and what I mean by that is there. There's so much production into those things that they lose that that draw towards your soul. That's a something that was built by a human with human hands and I think singer nails it, singer porsches they have.
Speaker 2:they keep the soul of handmade in opinion, do they? Use those special tools like AI and stuff or no, I don't think they do. I mean, it's the super high-end but it's not flashy. It's like super high-end if a dude made it by hand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's kind of crazy to think about that. It must blow your guys' minds to think about where it's going to be in 10 years. You know what I'd love to have. I'd love to have.
Speaker 3:I'd love to have that sheet metal, that CNC sheet metal tool. Have you seen that? It's a metal shaper, it's a power hammer and it workholds.
Speaker 2:Oh, I did see that. Yes, I did see that. I saw it make a. I think it was a hood scoop or a bowl or something.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah yeah, I did see that. That would be really like. I love that because you can still design If a human's designing that and then they're putting it into a program cool.
Speaker 3:It's just going to help the efficiency and if it's something where it's going to make things more readily available, I think about billet. Like think about how many a couple decades ago dude billet was like whoa fuck. It's almost lost its intrigue with some stuff because it's so the manufacturing realm is so saturated with it that it's not as much of a rare thing.
Speaker 2:Well, now we stepped into your design where you take a billet upper arm and you're like I have the triangulation, I'm just going to change the shape. It's not a block anymore and it's not just square face here, put my logo a a couple ibeam notches and we're good. It's like I'm gonna make shape out of this.
Speaker 1:that's where it's going with the billet at least. Yeah, well, that's why I like talking about this, because, like morgan, is using his creative uh, brain to be able, and heart to be able to make these things different well, the reason I like morgan too is morgan uses his hands and, and, and I was always taught because I was a little baby a little bitch about it.
Speaker 2:When I was younger, I think it was, my stepdad said listen, man, if you can do it the hard way, you can do it the easy way dude for real and because the easy way is easy and he does everything with his hands. There's no and it looks just fluid and it's such a lost art man, like you said. The coach builders I follow so many coach builders on Instagram because those guys are just fluid and that's what.
Speaker 3:I love that stuff. I can't do.
Speaker 1:I can't either, man. It's a whole other level.
Speaker 2:I love sheet metal. I love doing what you do. I don't get to post it enough. As much Dave doesn't like when I post what I do at work, but as much, uh, dave doesn't like when I post what I do at work.
Speaker 3:um, but dude it's so much fun, so much fun creating stuff out of sheet metal. Well, there's a for me. I don't. I've chosen a path and I'm very aware of it where you know money for sure. Money is freedom tickets uh, I agree on that. I think money can buy happiness just because it can allot you more freedom to do what you desire to do.
Speaker 3:But I have to have I have a certain limit here of I have to be doing something that gives me a quality of life every day Period, and if I don't do that, I can't present myself as a person like an optimal example to my kids, to my wife. I have to be this person creating something because that is part of who I am and what I need to be doing there. Something because that is part of who I am and what I need to be doing. There's people that can absolutely go work a nine to five or they can go do structural and they can not give a fuck and they can watch the fucking football game and all that, and that is a blessing. That's a blessing. I, just for myself, I have to be doing stuff where I'm creating because I've I've found this higher frequency and sense of purpose that I know I'm a better person from doing it yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3:It gives you self-fulfillment too right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just run with it, man. Yeah, I couldn't agree more with that. One of the other questions that I was going to ask you was more along the lines of the business stuff. Right, yeah, did you think that when you first started doing this stuff, that you would have the I don't know? I don't want to call it creative freedom, because owning a business is not full creative freedom, but the ability to do this, because that's kind of scary, right, going from what you were talking about at the beginning of the show like a structural engineering job, and then having all of these, you know, making it up the ladder and then deciding, well, now I'm gonna go out and do my own thing like that's, that's scary.
Speaker 2:You're kind of at the mercy of your customers. I mean, it's like. It's like I can prove to you I have the talent, I have my drawings. But you have to find someone that's going to get off their wallet. Have faith that you're going to give them what they want that's like. To me, the biggest hurdle is finding someone that's willing to pay you for that stuff.
Speaker 1:Well, that's what I'm saying. That's scary Also sales and marketing.
Speaker 3:You know, yeah, yeah, I didn't like, I didn't consciously choose to do this and jump off on my own. I mean, I guess, when I look at it now, for sure, I made a choice to not go work for someone else again. All of these struggles, no matter what they are, I would never trade to go work for someone else again, period. I don't care what they are, I don't care if I'm don't want to get out of bed in the morning because I feel like my whole world is going to end and I don't know how to fucking solve it. And I, you know, I'm good on that, because the the liberties of running my own business and you know the not freedom, because it's not like you get time off or any shit like that, but it's just, it's more or less how I can lead a team and how I can. The capabilities of running my own business versus being stuck under someone else, I think is where it's at my own business versus being stuck under someone else, I think, is where it's at.
Speaker 2:I don't have limits you're getting in a lot of ways. Running your own business is double the work than just going to nine to five yeah, but the having no limits, I think, is the best thing.
Speaker 1:Well, I guess the limits are set by yourself, right? Yeah yeah, it's funny because you hear the same shit all the time, like, um, I have two companies, but I have to. I work roughly 16 to 18 hours a day, every day. So my, my work here is, uh, you know, twice the amount of days that everybody else is. And I work on saturdays and sundays too, right, but when I wake up in the morning, I don't hate going to work I don't want to go to work.
Speaker 3:I've never had a day like that. I've only had days like that where I've mentally fucked myself and that's it.
Speaker 2:But it has nothing to do with the work I'm gonna turn the light on really quick yeah, well they say I mean, if you pick a job you love, yeah, you never work a day in your life.
Speaker 1:Well, that's what they say I agree with the the first part of it. If you pick a job, but you fucking work your ass off right and but I but I do, uh, I do agree with Morgan and saying like you have that enjoyment out of it, right, and you can, I don't know, there's just people and I think all three of us are the same. But like, when you can understand that you're working for something that's appeasing to you, then it's a lot better.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's also the window to um. You know cause? I, my, my wife is probably. I consult with her on all of this stuff. You know my struggles. I see a therapist every week too. But you know my wife knows the ins and outs and she knows every single client and detail, my employees and it. You know, the trade-off too is like these times where I've never missed a game for my kids, I've never missed practice. I mean, sometimes I'll make a collective choice that I can't go or I'm not going to go, but I'm never at the liberty of having to get an approval from someone of how the fuck I want to spend time seeing my own family, dude exactly.
Speaker 3:I don't discredit that and it's not like me looking down on someone in that position. I'm just saying, like, like that kind of stuff, dude, throw me to the wolves on everything else, because I get those opportunities where I'm never, ever going to miss. Hey, we need you. Your son's going to do this, he's there having a party here. They're doing this. They're like, and I can be there and I can show the fuck up and I never need someone to give me approval on the time that I need to spend with my family and my kids.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's pretty crazy man, it's a big deal. Yeah, they. You had some other questions, didn't you Mila?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did. Let's keep talking. I saw a good question here too there's a question.
Speaker 3:I'm seeing what encouraging words. Can I go back on that thing?
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:What encouraging words would give you, would you give someone starting their own business? And I think you guys could probably help with that too.
Speaker 2:You know, uh, work a lot, don't expect much. And this is what I learned from business and I and I and I and I apply this to my life now. Um, no matter what you do, no matter what you do, no matter what you say, no matter what you charge, no matter what you deliver, no matter what you don't deliver, how somebody walks away from you feeling is going to determine if they're going to come back and give you money or they're not going to come back. If you make someone feel good, no matter what it is with the product, with the service, with just a conversation that's the best form of bringing in business is how people feel about you yeah, well, or how they feel about themselves too, yeah because I think that go ahead, sir.
Speaker 3:No, you're good please.
Speaker 1:I interrupted you dude what hit it? Go dude, uh. But I I agree with what mila said too, but I think there's two pieces to that. Like uh, in the current business that I have. I'm not doing it for me, right, like there will be financial rewards at some point. But the reason that I'm doing the Starstream business is because I want to see an industry grow from a position that it's never been able to grow before. We have had a very limited amount of technology that has helped off-road grow in people's eyes, right, and when I started it it was because I didn't have that ability to do it when I was racing. It was limited and I can't call Home Depot and be like hey, bro, did you see my last race? They're going to be like.
Speaker 1:What the fuck are you talking about, kid?
Speaker 1:Like get out of here, but now, if we give people the opportunity to be able to have that, then it will grow an industry right. It takes a long time. So I think to answer the question, I think you have to have a goal. Let's just say, five years from now, off-road you can call Home Depot and they have be able to see your, your race. But what I've learned in the in the intermediary time is that everybody uses this as a different tool in their toolbox and the way that they're happy is by showcasing it in their own way. So it goes back to what Mila said, and to me it's gratifying because I get to see these people having success with something that helps them.
Speaker 3:Totally. I think, too, some of the stuff is expectation based. If you have an expectation to start your own business for some shit like well, I'm going to get free time off and I don't have to do this and I don't have to you know, then you're already fucked and you're not in the mindset to even own a business, because the requirement for running a business is so much greater than a normal job period. You know, that's one thing, and I think part of it for myself is believing in yourself. I mean, the simple way is having a solution for a common problem. It's like your number one thing for business.
Speaker 3:But really, I think, doing it with no expectation, but this is just your passion and you can't stop yourself from the passion and you just need to be doing this and you're good at it and you stay on top of it, and I think all of that just trickles into success with a business. Yeah, you're not thinking about making something thrive and you're not thinking I'm gonna start a business, it's gonna do good and I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna buy that it's. Maybe that works for some people. I just that's not my path and that hasn't been that. I just did something I believed in and I was so heavily invested in that it started to render its own success because of that you had to live it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you had to live it in order to make it blossom yeah, 100, it's just like the how, uh, any type of musical band like a band, a band doesn't start out being massive, selling out to 60 000 people at a stadium. A band goes to the bar, to the local bar, and play their music. They want to play their music.
Speaker 3:That's it. It doesn't matter where they're at.
Speaker 1:There's another one on here.
Speaker 3:With your past experiences working for other people, do you try to give your own employees more personal freedom also to spend with family, to leave early to watch sports and such? I mean, of course I would never be so naughty with that. My guys are very diligent as a team and I could really go on a tangent about employees. But I could go on a bigger tangent about leadership and what that means.
Speaker 3:Because if you practice leadership and ownership as the owner and operator, then your employees will grow from that and they will turn into these soldiers that are insane. Yep, 100 percent. If, like, I've had guys, I've cycled through guys and now I've had these guys, both of them for almost two years, because I've, in this last two years of when I've grown and watered myself and it's spread into them. But giving them time, of course they're, they're so good about it. They tell me stuff like a month in advance hey, uh, I'm gonna. You know, I got this trip that's gonna be. Is it cool if I take friday off and then maybe monday? But I don't know yet and I'm, of course, yeah, obviously I get more just from the respect level of them asking and not expecting. Yeah, and they're asking me so far in advance. Dude, I couldn't even do that like thank you, I'm so. I'm just, I couldn't even do that Like thank you, I'm so. I'm just more grateful that they do that and I think it's just a respect thing.
Speaker 3:Everybody, you can tell when people slack and they're just I'm going to call them lazy fucks and when people aren't committed, and especially if you have employees that aren't as committed as you are, or you, as a business owner, are not as committed as your employees. That shit doesn't work. Yeah, and it will render these guys that just want to take time off. If there's guys that are coming in late or they're shooting date, hey, I'm not going to be in today. And they hit you up in the morning and it's not that they're fucking barfing or pissing out of their ass or some emergency with their family, then that's already a red flag.
Speaker 1:You, her family, then that's already a red flag you're fucking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't want. I don't want that, dude. It's a. It's an environment that you have to create well, and that doesn't mean like and what you're saying doesn't mean like the boss has to be. This little sissy like you can still be a gnarly boss and you can still, like, lead them in the right direction. You can still tell them to fuck off. They did it wrong, but you got to make sure that the leader understands that they are still human beings and it's respect all across the board.
Speaker 2:It's respect I used to always go ahead.
Speaker 3:It's okay.
Speaker 2:I was just getting at it.
Speaker 3:Go ahead, Emilio.
Speaker 2:I was just going to say when you look at your boss like, you don't like, I lost my train of thought. I always say you employ your employer as much as they employ you, and if you have no respect for your employer, you shouldn't be there.
Speaker 3:It's a two-way street.
Speaker 2:It's like a marriage you have to get along in order for Morgan to make money. Morgan's employees make money. We all grow together, so that environment has to be top notch.
Speaker 1:Dude one of the little things that I learned. My dad owned a transmission shop in a small town in Arizona and one of the things that I learned the most from him was he offered a week's paid vacation the following year if you didn't miss any work the year before. So if in 2024 you didn't miss any work, you showed up to work every day, you got a week's free vacation.
Speaker 1:You could go on a cruise, I don't know a thousand bucks, whatever it is right, yeah and so, all of a sudden, every motherfucker showed up for work every day yeah, that's the incentive that works sometimes.
Speaker 3:That works, sometimes it doesn't. I I don't have any issues like going back to it with guys taking time. My both of my guys don't have kids and if they did like I know, I know one of our guys that's going to come in soon. That's part of the team. He has a two-year-old and I've had all that. If, if you're working, you know part of it is like life experience. If you're working for a guy that's never had kids, then how can you expect that guy to have space for, like, understanding your program with having a kid? Yeah, um, I, I give all of them whatever time they need. In their extreme. It's just a respect thing. Just like you guys say, you know if, the longer they're respectful, if they're blowing shit off or they're being slackers like they're not going to be with me, no matter what.
Speaker 1:So one thing that we do every time we hire somebody is we go through the interview process and we ask a question how would you handle this certain project or situation? Right, always, always, always, always. The laziest person will tell you the best way to handle that project. Then you kick them out and you hire the other guy and do it that way.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, I think there's stuff to be said about that. If I could figure things out more than you know, I'd maybe do things like that too. I just don't.
Speaker 1:Somebody keeps asking to talk about the Blackbird project.
Speaker 2:Wait before we get there. I've got a two-parter. Yeah, we've got a half hour. You've got a half hour.
Speaker 3:I've got all the time. I know I'm doing low battery things. So I'm pre-writing my scheme to plug this computer cord in and it's going to reach.
Speaker 2:Yeah, scheme to plug this computer cord in and it's gonna reach. Yeah, so we're good, cool. So, uh, someone, I actually thought of this myself because I've been fortunate enough to been allowed to, uh, do my own designs on other companies vehicles. Someone asked I forget the screen name, I apologize. How much creative freedom do your guys get when it comes to certain aspects? Uh, that's a tricky one dude and it's.
Speaker 3:It is, it's not. It's not so much. I'm not like an asshole, like for for reference, and I don't think kevin will have any discrepancy. But I used to. I used to work at h&m for kevin. Kevin runs this business where he's like he does things way, no matter whether you have a better design or something that would be more streamlined or more efficient in production or anything. It was a constant head but because he wants to do it this way, this way, this way, our branding, uh, in our business is so tailored to design and style.
Speaker 3:That is the hardest thing. I love teaching. I love I plan to teach everything I know on a platform that's available to the world. But I, when I go into that phase, I'm like man, design is the hardest thing to teach because that's the one thing that I don't really think about and I can do just fluidly. And it's hard for the guys. They definitely. It's very similar to if you move to a foreign country and they were speaking a different language at some point. Living in that household. You're going to start picking up on cues. You're going to start figuring out how to speak that language. Some people might be more adept to learning that quicker and some people might not, and so the guys definitely I start to let the design trickle into their own creative liberties. But really it's big vision stuff and they're totally okay because I, with alex and colin both they've been in some instances where I know they've questioned things like man, is this gonna look okay?
Speaker 3:like yeah and every time again, not in an egotistical way, but like my skill set and my gift is design, and I take them through these, these projects, where it's like an experience for them, because they're trusting me to lead them in the design.
Speaker 1:And then I was just going to say that that's a good leader and they and they do they.
Speaker 3:They're not as hesitant now because they know the outcome, like same with vivian or the truggy or anything we've built. Where they go, they step back and they're so proud and they're so fulfilled and nourished from that that they trust me with design. I can't trust them to do design like I do because it's just not at that caliber. I spent my whole life like my brain is retarded or different. Something is off with me where design is easy for me and it comes fluid. So you know, colin has more seat time fabricating with me. He's my lead fabricator and I do. Let him have some creative liberties a lot more, maybe 40%, sometimes max. There's a lot of times where I let him go on a template and then if I'm there then I'll come over and I'll revise it for him. But I'll say, show me something first. Then I'll come over and I'll revise it for him. But I'll say, show me something first. You know I'll give him. It needs to be here, draw it out to here, have it land tangent here, and then just fill all that in and show me what you get and then I'll let him go. And then it's better for me to critique that because, like at art center.
Speaker 3:That's what I would do. I would we put up our work on the wall and then we'd go around with the class and the instructor and we'd critique it. You know the classmates would critique it, the instructor would critique it. You know, this is okay, don't like that. This needs to be different and it's constructive criticism and as long as you're not insecure about it, you're only helping the person grow.
Speaker 3:So it's the same with Colin. I come in and I'll be like all right, I like this. I would put this break right where the directional change on the top plate goes here and I explain it to him and then it registers in his file folder in his brain for next time and then it might just be a little percent that helps him for the next design. And so I grow him like that. For him to create a dash or something is going to be, you know that's going to take a long time, yeah, so I do control. You know that's going to take a long time. Yeah, so I do, I do control. I have to have that control because that's what makes us who we are with mcd1. If, if I just say, hey, go build a bumper on this thing, like a lot of shops do that right. They're like, hey, build a bed cage for that, build a bumper, then my branding is so far off that it doesn't tie into us as a whole.
Speaker 1:It's the way it makes sense. It it works like that a lot. There's a couple things that I got from that.
Speaker 1:I mean like you could use Troy Lee Designs as the same kind of example, right, or any other creative company. But what you're doing, and what I'm reading behind the scenes, is that you're cultivating them to actually give them the opportunity and they're working hard enough to be able to absorb the information, that they can actually progress and build themselves up. And I think that that's really the first questions that we asked in the conversation is what advice would you give to people? Well, you might not be able to give them a one-liner, but you can give them a lifetime of advice, and you're doing that with the guys.
Speaker 3:Absolutely, and that's the same thing. I support them, like with Colin. He's 25. He's one of the greatest examples of a 25-year-old that I have came across to date, because so many kids that are 25 are not optimal examples of human beings. And you know, with him I always tell him too I say, dude, whenever I'm here to support you, whenever you are at a point where you he's so hungry it doesn't even make sense that he would want to stay with me forever, because kids like that, when they have heads on their shoulders like that, they should fucking go get the world, go go, go get it. And that's what I tell him. I say I'm grateful for you every day that you're here, and if there's ever a time where you want to grow or you want to branch out, you want to do your own thing.
Speaker 1:I'm going to support you, like that's yeah, I'm here to support you. I can only imagine, like you being the, the leader that you are now being like wow, this kid is like he's going to be good in 10 years, like he's going to be fucking amazing already yeah, so hard to find.
Speaker 2:Yeah, once you find that one, you're like, oh, I'm just going to water this one dude.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, that's I don't ever want to get into a spot where I I feel like I've, I'm, it's a necessity. I want to know, like, no matter what, I'm still at a point where, if all else fails, I can run the. I'll steer this fucking shit dude and I'll run this motherfucker. You know like, and I'm, I still have that. I'm not at some thing where I have this huge overhead and there's 12 cars and there's 15 employees and you know, I don't feel that like, oh my God, if I don't have this, these people or this guy, then I'm fucked Like. I don't want to put myself in a position like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sometimes that growth is scary. Right, it's scary it happens fast.
Speaker 3:But it's also accepting the things you cannot change, like if people leave, they leave you, put your time and invest in them for what they give you, and if they're putting their sweat equity into your business and they're helping you and they're fucking busting their ass, then, dude, every day counts yeah, if they decide they're gonna move on, it's fine.
Speaker 2:You really think about it. You're just renting them, right I'm?
Speaker 1:an employee. I'm. That's the way I see it.
Speaker 2:I'm being rented eight hours a day and it's I you a service, you give me some money and that's kind of how it is. But you have to have that environment for the rental to stay.
Speaker 1:There's another youngster you're affecting, so Seth Quintero just chimed in. So never met Morgan, but when the guy speaks I really tune in.
Speaker 3:What's up, Seth? I like watching Seth's journey. He's a hell of a driver.
Speaker 1:He's a hell of a driver. You just like it because he has such beautiful hair.
Speaker 3:Because I want to get those Dakar tires on the cheap.
Speaker 1:Oh perfect, we got to see Seth at Crandon. He did a really good job too.
Speaker 3:Man, it was cool to see him do it. Yeah, he hopped in right. That was kind of a foreign vehicle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was cool to see him do all that stuff.
Speaker 3:You guys want to just talk about the blackbird. Yeah, let's do the blackbird. What's up with the blackbird? I was almost gonna pull up a picture and I've been holding out on this thing. So the blackbirds, this you know, like with my career, like what I watched is I created that that pre-runner, beth, my super crew, i-beam super crew, leaf spring truck, crazy bed cage, caged, all this stuff and I created that and then that gave me, like this, this window into the off-road industry as like a like accredited fabricator and that's what like got me my job with jamie campbell at raceco, etc. I want to enter into the hot rod world and, like the street car and road car world and, um, I'm going to do it. I think I have to do it, funding this thing like myself. Um, I had a guy that was in, like he was going to invest in building this thing and he got like, like we Aaron Beck and I designed this thing. Aaron Beck does a lot of. He's a high-end digital designer. He does stuff for Elysium, a lot of futuristic designs. He's a bad motherfucker from New Zealand. Originally I was going to have this thing funded a million-dollar-plus, a million-five. The guy ended up being a lot more of a talker than he was ready to pony up and start building this thing. But I got so invested in it because it's been my dream.
Speaker 3:The sr, the sr 71 blackbird, is. Do you guys know what that is? Yeah, okay, most guys do. But you just a quick rundown. Like that was built it was. It started it's skunkworks skunkworks, kelly johnson, uh, lockheed martin. It started its Skunk Works, skunk Works, kelly Johnson, lockheed Martin. It started its duties in 1966. It was the fastest production or just fastest plane ever built. The way it was designed. The faster you go, the more efficient it would get. It would fly at 75,000-foot ceiling, yep. And it was an absolute marvel of engineering and I think even to this day, this is that that plane stands the test of time. They decommissioned it, but it is one of the most greatest. Like, if you guys want to just geek on something, watch blackbird documentaries on youtube and there's one over at march air force Base.
Speaker 2:There is, yeah there's one inside.
Speaker 3:It's really good. You can go and look in the cockpit and stuff. I know where all of them are. And since I was a kid, when I was like five and six years old, I was drawing. Like I started drawing hot rods and stuff and then, like getting into fourth and fifth grade, I was drawing all military aircraft and I was drawing jets and F-14, tomcats, apache, helicopters, things like that, but always the Blackbird was this thing to me and it's just such a pinnacle of Cold War era brutal design. Like functional, the thing leaks gobs of fuel until it gets up to temperature and like dude the whole thing. Like even the titanium right, the CIA had to create all these different false or fake companies to buy all the titanium from the soviet union while we were building that plane to spy on the soviet union.
Speaker 1:Like it's remember that was a thing.
Speaker 3:Dude is so fucking epic yeah so you know this hot rod I. I came up with this concept where I want to build this 1966 Lincoln four-door, hardtop, suicide style thing and I want to take every single aspect of the SR-71, and I want to put it into this Lincoln and I want to have a big Steve Morris billet lock in there, quad turbo, sequential turbos. This thing's going to go 250 miles an hour, full titanium, sheet metal, body, hand-formed, and I've started to just fund this thing on my own and it's going to be the greatest investment I've ever put into something, and I think that that's what I have to do in my life. This is how I want to. I don't want someone to fund it, I want to fund it. I want it to be mine, I want to. I don't want someone to fund it, I want to fund it. I want it to be mine.
Speaker 3:I want to put the blood, sweat and tears into this thing. I want to keep it under wraps until it's ready and then I'll start showing the process. But right now, like, what I've been doing is just I work with Aaron Beck and he's helped me design all the exterior and we've modeled this thing in the computer. I've like, like, viewed it in vr in real time, like and I've laid under it and looked at it. I fucking cried dude. I saw this thing go together and I viewed it at the shop and I was just like, oh my god, I brought taylor to look at it, so that's my hot rod that I'm building and it's.
Speaker 3:It's like 37 inches tall to the roof um it's nice it's it's based off not like a Bonneville top speed, it's going to be 250 miles an hour and it's based off like standing mile and then like track stuff. So big square tire car, uh Bugatti tire package, like a Veyron tire package, yep, um. And now it's going through, uh, cfd and digital aerodynamic testing with Aero Dave in New Zealand. So I've been like getting on phone calls. Aaron and I will catch up on design and then Dave and Aaron and I will get on like a Zoom call or a team viewer and then we'll run through all the aerodynamics analysis on the thing and I have all those badass images where all the air is going through and where it's being disturbed. So we're on our second round right now to get you know more aerodynamic into the thing.
Speaker 1:Uh, you know I dude. I agree with what you're saying on all this stuff, though like doing it self-funded, like because the gratification, self-fulfillment, like the realization of, like the goal, the process, like every single thing matches up with your personality and your drive and it's the thing like people are like when are you going to build an off-road car?
Speaker 3:when are you going to build a pre-run? Like dude little, do you fucking know what I'm doing right now? I'm literally building this blackbird. Like I look at this thing every day. I have 3d printed models of this thing and my friends, like robs of, bring me blackbird models and like everybody that's like in my circle knows about this thing. It's just the transition happened because I'm like, fuck yeah, dude, full ride. This guy's gonna build this thing. Like you know, we're gonna hit this thing. We can. We will spend big budget on it. We'll start working off chunks.
Speaker 3:And it didn't work out. But it was perfect because when the guy saw the image, he's like he didn't see the vision. And if that guy already like if I'm so glad I showed him the image early on, because if we would have gotten deep and then he goes, dude, I don't see it, that's the wrong guy yeah, he signed up for something he didn't want yeah, and it's just, I get so much now where I'm like, yeah, I want to be stressed out, yep, I want to figure out when I'm going to need to pay for this and how I'm going to get this.
Speaker 3:I've never even cashed in on vendors. I've never said, hey, I'm building this dream project. Can you guys help me? I've never done that. This is my thing, this is my next project and when we get into a different facility, then I'll start working on this thing and you know it'll be the frame on it. Do you guys? Did you ever see those filters I did for that big donkey truck, the big blue truck and the canister mounts? They were all flared, hole like plated and boxed. I didn't see it, did you?
Speaker 2:It was like two years ago maybe two years a year and a half, but it was.
Speaker 3:I built it off like a blimp like an airframe style, where it's very thin material but it's all flared holes like dimple dies and it's all boxed. So it's extremely rigid but there's more hole than there is material. That's how you're supposed to do dimple dies. Right, right, right right. And so the whole chassis on this thing. I'm going to have Joe help me design it in SolidWorks, but it'll be the whole chassis inside the car, even the upper cage, will all be air-framed. Where it's complete flared hole, boxed, tig-welded everywhere. There's no tubing.
Speaker 2:I thought about doing that a long time ago. I thought it would be so rad It'll have seats that are modeled like ejector seats.
Speaker 3:It'll just be a two-seater. You'll open up the suicide horse and there'll be just all cold piping on one side, hot piping on the other side. Nice, the turbos will be in the back seat. Staggered 25,000, 30,000 horsepower.
Speaker 1:Jesus, dude, that'll be insane. Hey, have you ever seen the movie the World's Fastest Indian? Yes, yes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 1:That's what this story reminds me of just the dedication and love.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so that's the Blackbird. It's like my constant. Sometimes I put little previews of it on my like story or something, just because I'm like when I get stuff from Aaron, I'm so excited but I don't want to just show it yet. And once I start like once we start developing the chassis, then I'll probably just cover it just like I do everything else and we'll just start going in depth. I don't?
Speaker 3:I love to share the journey that I'm on with everything you know, and I don't care if it's hard or if it's negative or if it's a failure. I'm so grateful for my life just in general, and I'm so grateful that I don't have vices and I don't have addiction or alcoholism or something that plagues me every day, that brings me down, that I'm dropping promises to myself on Like I spent years doing that and it just fucking ruined me and now I just feel like this I can't stop and I can't not share all of this stuff, because it's so exciting to me and I'm so grateful for it.
Speaker 2:It's almost like you've lifted the blanket off all the demons and now the positive is just propelling you forward into this new world. Yeah, that's what I'm getting out of it, dude, I love that man it's a second life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's a good point to ask him some of the rapid fire questions and stuff. Can I ask?
Speaker 2:one 30-second question before we get to rapid fire stuff. Can I ask one 30 second question before we get to rapid fire? It's 30 seconds really, because I got my own and I realize you know, as a builder, you they're all your babies and it's hard to pick. Sure, but I have my favorite out of 28 years or whatever. Do you have one favorite build that you're like? You have your favorite morgans are yours. Uh, I have one of morgans that I really, really like but.
Speaker 2:I have one of mine. That's always going to be. That's my favorite.
Speaker 3:I think you've dabbled in a lot more. You've got to think with me. I've worked at a bunch of shops, so sometimes you're just working on something, you get pulled off. You work on another thing. A lot of our cars, too, are like rehabs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I'm saying one that you were like that's a Morgan Clark car.
Speaker 3:Well, the Range Rover for sure that's the one I've been into building an SUV like that, and I love SUVs. I've loved them since I had the Explorer. I love wagons like a nice fucking CTS-V wagon or R6. So I like that proportion, Since doing the sheet metal like starting, you know, because I had Colin do a lot of the sheet metal Once I transitioned into working on the Dakar prototype myself. That's where I feel in love and I look forward to that, I'm thinking about that and I'm obsessing on that. So I think that's really my current project, is my favorite project.
Speaker 2:Ryan is a good dude.
Speaker 1:That's a good dude to build a car for I think his favorite project will change when his new project comes out. One of the things that, like I can probably see, is the gears start turning. But I'm a big wagon guy too. If I could drop off a brand new e-class amg with you, that would be like my dream yeah, ryan's great.
Speaker 3:I mean, if you talk about, like, what I look forward to the most, it's the blackbird. That's my absolute dream vehicle. Ever in my whole entire life, it's the most exciting thing to me in my life. I I can't wait for that hot wheels car. You know there, you go see the goals.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I well, I know it all. It's a, it's that, it's that big of a car and I think that that's that's so like, that's the path I want, because it's like if you build it, they will come. Like that remember Kevin Costner in Field of Dreams? Yeah, it was always that, that phrase if you build it, they will come, and it's, it's, that's how it worked, man, I put all of my heart and my soul into that. That bath truck.
Speaker 3:I fucking found out my mom had cancer around that time. Like I found out we were having Logan at that time. Like I did, I used that tool to cope with a gang of shit, you know, and I I didn't look down or I didn't look up, I just worked on it. You know, 10 to 14 hours friday, saturday, sunday go back to work, work, my fucking dead-end job. It's sitting out there. I'm looking at it every day, thinking about it, going back, working on it, all that. That turned into a return on investment with, like my life now, and so this thing is, you know, like the. The off-road market is great and I love off-road stuff and I love pre-runners, but it's limited and what I have to offer people with design is so much greater than just building an off-road car yeah yes, it's just so much more limitless than an off-road car.
Speaker 3:And now let's think about it.
Speaker 3:There's how much desert, how many of these people are running $500 to $1 million cars in these deserts. And how much desert is there? Now, what's that demographic? Now how many of those can you actually build? And then how, like it just it starts to get very small. And then you start going well, dude, what about hot rods? And what about beautiful custom street cars? That's stuff about hot rods and what about beautiful custom street cars? That stuff where, when I build this blackboard, there might be some guy in japan buying that thing I don't buy.
Speaker 1:It's well, you know what I'm saying, it's so broad.
Speaker 3:I just I don't need to be doing off-road stuff, I just need to be designing. And if I could just start designing one example of anything someone can bring me that makes sense that's what I do, dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but look we, I, we love it that you started an off-road. Thank, you.
Speaker 2:I love off-road too. I think our fab in off-road not yours and mine, but in general has taken the streetcar fab to another level. Because, now it's not just Bondo and paint.
Speaker 1:It's like, oh, I've got to make this look good. Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 3:I think there's also a market like how we're building stuff, or even a lot of off-road guys Like say, like I saw Everson has, they're building like some older, like a little car that has like billet arms, like a small scale, it's got all off-road parts in it and stuff and it's got all off-road. You compare it to like what top tier off-road builders are doing and you're like yo, you guys got a lot of steps to make a nice paint.
Speaker 1:you know, yeah, exactly there's been a lot of crossover though, too. Like we're at the herb shop yesterday, I mean, they're using nascar stuff. They fly back and forth. They fly back and forth to joe gibbs, jo to Joe Gibbs. Joe Gibbs gets pointers from them. Like the way, the way that the level of off-road has I don't know stepped up in the past. I would say, in my opinion, the last five years it was stagnant for a little while. I think it's been really really cool to see and I don't think it's just one person, like it's not just team honda, it's like it's a. I think it's one dude, but I do think it's a james lynn. Yeah, he's done a, he's done a great job, um, but I do think it's a collaboration of everybody um working together, and people like morgan too, you know, with james lynn big james lynn fan.
Speaker 2:Over here there's a lot of people, no, just just technology wise, because he's the brakes and the ECM and tuning and it's taken it, and then you got Joe Gibbs and then you got the fab, of course, but this is my opinion, yeah well, that's technology.
Speaker 3:I think, too, it's blown up over the last few years too, because of just social media, for sure, people being inspired and seeing stuff and creating, and then also manufacturing and resource capabilities. There's a lot more you know and creating, and then also you know, manufacturing and resource capabilities. There's a lot more resources than there was. There's a lot more people that are able to make these parts for people and there's a lot more technology that's at the fingertips of people that are just wanting to learn how to use the programs. Yeah, exactly, all right.
Speaker 1:Well, let's wind this down so we can get to the rapid-fire questions, but I do want to say that a lot of the stuff that we've been talking about has really got me motivated because of the fact that most of it's the way you think, morgan, and I. I appreciate your creativity more than you know, and I appreciate your skills more than you know.
Speaker 1:But none of that comes without your mindset and the way that you live on a daily basis. Right, you get up in the morning and you do these things, and you're family-oriented and you have a soulfulness about you and all of these different things, and those are the things that are meaningful, that will fulfill you. To be on your bed at your last breath, to be like, yeah, I fucking did it, I wanted this life.
Speaker 3:Yeah, can I touch on that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3:I think that people can like dog on or be negative on routines, but when you're a high functioning person, creative, all that stuff, you have to implement structure into your life, because you're you are not structured. Your brain is beautiful and it creates these beautiful things, but if there is not some kind of a harness there, it's fucking wasted. And that's what has been such a ticket. I mean, obviously don't have vices, obviously don't be drinking and drugging, don't do shit that you're going to feel guilty or carry shame, because that's more stuff that's going to cloud your mind. But then, when it gets to the next level, then it's just doing things that give you structure and that can let you walk a clear path.
Speaker 3:When you talk about laying on your deathbed, that's also something that happened to me a couple years ago, where I go dude, well, I'm 37 and I go how like? At what point here do I start to act like someone that I can be proud of? Is this the person that I want to be when I die? Do I want my kids to look at this guy? Is this how I want to look? Is this how I want to feel? Is this how I want to eat? Is this me? Do I want to be this fucking guy that carries guilt, that carries shame, that doesn't fucking feel good, that's not healthy, that can't fucking run in the grass for 10 minutes with my kids, that can't carry him, can't throw him. I. I like something clicked and like I want to just like to just I'm 37, I'm 39. Now I'm 37. I want to spend this other half of my life just doing everything I fucking can, every single day, to be the best person I can. And that doesn't mean that I'm perfect and that doesn't mean that I'm successful and that I'm just winning. It's just. It's applying those principles every day where you can be building to the person that you want to be, someone that your wife can be proud of, someone that your kids can be proud of, people around you and yourself.
Speaker 3:When you're dead and you're looking at yourself and you're like, fuck, dude, I made a fucking effort. I didn't just let this shit go. I didn't just waste these years. I did this shit, I got after it. Whatever it looks like, it doesn't mean that I well, if I don't have a ferrari or I don't have a fucking p51 mustang when I'm 65, then fuck it. No, it's just. It's just about that conscious effort, and what that's given me too, is, if stuff is tough, I know that I have things every day that I can do where I'm gonna feel good about it and I can get through it, and then it gets better.
Speaker 1:dude, one thousand percent, I could personally tell you when you're on your deathbed, you think going to feel good about it and I can get through it, and then it gets better.
Speaker 2:Dude 1000% I can personally tell you when you're on your deathbed, you think about nothing but your kids and your life.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I've heard a lot of theories on that. I've heard that you reflect on your whole life. I've heard it all flashes through and you look at every single instance of how you've treated other people and and like a lot of experience goes, goes right, like it's just like a flash card through there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know. Yeah, what else do you have? Do you want to do questions?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We're on fire, man. I want to say this, though I don't want to get too deep into it, but I have been in that place and it's very much more like what Morgan explained.
Speaker 2:It didn't happen to me. I just remember laying there like my kids are going to wonder why I'm not coming home, but that's just me.
Speaker 1:It's kind of crazy, but it's crazy. I appreciate that, uh, that you can foresee that and you have the forethought to make sure that you're living every single day to the fullest Motivational, by the way, brother. Hell, yeah, I feel like I just got. Yeah, I feel like I just went to a therapy session. All right, morgan Clark, are you ready for rapid-fire Q&A on the Dirt Life show? Does that just?
Speaker 3:mean I need to answer quickly.
Speaker 2:Oh shit, we can't hear you, I lost him.
Speaker 1:Can you hear us? Yeah, there you are. We got you back. All right, mila, I'll go first, and then you go after, and then you go after.
Speaker 2:Tacos or hot dogs Tacos.
Speaker 3:Chicken or asada.
Speaker 1:Oh fuck chicken, Are you thinking?
Speaker 2:Chick-fil-A right now. Just protein, protein, yep.
Speaker 1:Where are you getting those chicken tacos at, not off the street Dunes or?
Speaker 3:the river.
Speaker 2:Dunes Action shots or or steel shots. What?
Speaker 3:does that mean?
Speaker 2:like action, pictures like driving there or a car blowing through a burn yeah, dirt explosions everywhere.
Speaker 3:That really depends on the application, but I'm gonna stay still yeah, I can see that, uh, three-wheeler quad, everything, yeah. So you can see that Three-wheeler or quad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you can see the details. Three-wheeler or quad Three-wheeler.
Speaker 2:Pizza rollers or jalapeno poppers.
Speaker 3:You guys are terrible dude. I don't need your bonds Jalapeno poppers, coffee or tea.
Speaker 2:Coffee. That's my favorite Favorite movie Terminator 2, Judgment Day.
Speaker 1:Ooh, that's actually. I didn't expect that I was talking about it today. It was a quick one. Instagram or Facebook Instagram.
Speaker 2:What happened to MySpace? If you could have one superpower, what would it be?
Speaker 3:God, that's not a quick one.
Speaker 1:I think it's a good one though.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know, just unlimited health, that's a good one dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is a really good one. Netflix or YouTube. Youtube Video or photos. Video, now, I agree with that. Photos are like when you get a good photo though, it's just fucking insane Good dude.
Speaker 3:But you know, video just gives you more information, you know, that's all.
Speaker 1:So, uh, ray F150 said, facebook is only good for Marketplace.
Speaker 2:Dude my.
Speaker 1:Marketplace has been off the chain lately, so I've been looking for houses right and then so a three-wheeler pop up. I saw a big wheel pop up the other day and then this morning I wake up a big ass butt plug Like just straight up, like right in front of the house. It was so nice.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they were all used yeah.
Speaker 2:It said slightly used dude. I've been looking at planes on the facebook marketplace what time?
Speaker 1:nothing I can afford, but they're cool to look at uh well, this says most memorable race um 2008 vegas terreno just saying, yep, what's your most memorable race?
Speaker 3:I rode with jerry larryimore in a night race out by Gene years ago. I probably had no business being in the car doing that stuff. I was nervous but I had a really great experience.
Speaker 2:I rode in the jug. I left home 50. Night race with Jerry Larimore sounds like a pretty good time.
Speaker 1:In the jug. Yeah, That'd be so cool.
Speaker 2:Favorite snack.
Speaker 3:Favorite I don't snack, just a meal cracker.
Speaker 2:Go straight for the protein.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to say big protein drink guy or I was thinking like maybe a protein bar or something.
Speaker 3:I literally use food for fuel now, like that's it.
Speaker 2:Super cross or motocross, uh motocross uh, if you could, what other form of racing would you like to try?
Speaker 3:hey, first off, how come you guys don't answer these with me?
Speaker 2:I want to hear your stuff yeah, we can supercross I can't if you're motocross um dude, motocross for speed, supercross for show you can't pick both.
Speaker 1:Supercross is a good excuse to go, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, so I I for viewing, I'd like supercross, but always, always, always, I pick motocross.
Speaker 2:But I was always way better at motocross, so I had to stop going to supercross because it turned into super fast it's all the bro shit, just yeah, drunk all that shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dude my first supercross. I remember like my dad, uh, took me there and then, uh, no, this is my second supercross. We went to dallas and like we're walking the track and he walks over and he goes george, come stand over here. And I was only 18, so I was still a little guy, um, but anyways, we walk to the whoops and he goes watch, I'm gonna go walk over there. And he stood there and the whoops, and he goes watch. I'm going to go walk over there. And he stood there and the whoops were almost up to his like armpit in the deep. And he goes how the fuck are you going to make it through here on a bike? Like is it possible? And I go, I don't know. And so I go for the first lap and I'm just like, okay, I'll just jump through them. And I jumped through the first one, landed, smacked it down. It was like I landed on the stand and I just went straight over the bars.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Full commit on those things. Those Supercross guys are gnarly.
Speaker 1:But I pick motocross all day. Yeah, speed.
Speaker 2:All right. What's the question, milo? What other form of racing would you like to try If it was me? Dtm or Formula 1.
Speaker 1:Ooh, dtm, dtm or Formula 1? Ooh, dtm.
Speaker 2:OG. I'm saying early 90s DTM. Yeah, og, dtm.
Speaker 3:I'm such a DTM guy but I think if we were doing all that, I'd go. Australian V8 supercars.
Speaker 1:I can do that. Those are pretty gnarly, though, too. You think that's a real driver's car or driver's class?
Speaker 3:Oh, 100%. Those things are nasty dude.
Speaker 1:Are those spec cars or no?
Speaker 2:I believe they're NASCAR spec-ish yeah.
Speaker 1:Since you guys stole them, because I want DTM too. But since you guys stole it, I'm going to pick ProtoZap cars, p-cars, I see.
Speaker 3:Flores under here saying rally, and rally would be fire.
Speaker 1:Group B yeah, Group B Dude, that would be pretty fun. Could you imagine I'm scared about the woods, though. Going that fast through trees just fucking freaks me out.
Speaker 2:I just posted a video somewhere, I think it was Sweden. At night, they were lighting fires next to the rally course and the cars are going through. It just looks chaos, I love it.
Speaker 3:That's a wonderful experience, though, dude. I mean once you get your bearings and you're just listening to the co-dog. You're good You're not crashing into trees.
Speaker 2:That's a whole other level of tranquil Like. If you watch those guys, they're in a whole different world.
Speaker 1:I feel like they're built like a different breed, though man, fuck, that's the thing 100%.
Speaker 3:Do you guys ever have anything where you find a for what you're thinking in front of your face?
Speaker 1:yes, what is it?
Speaker 3:to jujitsu for you. And then what?
Speaker 1:is it 100? Yeah, well, I have two. Now I've slowed down and it's it's road bike riding, but it used to be dirt bike. It used to be dirt bikes or off-roading.
Speaker 3:I just so, just to just for reference, because I, even when I would be racing district 37 or something like, going as hard as I can, I would still find myself thinking about bullshit. Yeah, I'd be up in my brain in a file folder over here opening this thing up, doing all this, you know, and and I would never be able to retain that focus because it still wasn't enough. Sensory input shift your parts. I was talking to a man about this dude. I have shifter cards downstairs and I used to take logan a lot and our stuff started breaking and I never fixed it in life but that was the one thing I would get it.
Speaker 3:I had a 125 shifter, oh my god, and you've spent a couple laps. And when the tires are hot dude, it is insane the feedback and how they respond and how the power to wait. It's that one thing I would. I do it and I'd spend like, whatever the session was, whether it's 15 minutes or 20 minutes, and I I would feel so meditative because I'm I get, take my hell off and go. I didn't fucking think about anything yeah, I didn't think like I was just focused and that's it.
Speaker 1:That's the one thing yeah, I bet rallies like that. Yeah that, that's a good statement.
Speaker 2:I rode a 125 shifter once and it was the scariest, funnest, craziest thing ever.
Speaker 1:It was so much we got to drive them a lot Riding motocross it was basically the same thing or supercross and stuff, but those 125 shifter carts. We would practice to be able to smooth out our line options.
Speaker 2:It was kind of cool, by the way, that K1 over in Winchester is almost open. Me and Brett Serapis and Christian. We're going to be over there a lot, Sign me up.
Speaker 1:I was the same way as you, though, After the dirt bikes. I got into side-by-sides and we did Lucas World stuff. I would go down the straightaways and we'd be going I don't know, let's just say 80 or 90 miles an hour down some of the fastest straightaways and I felt like I was in slow motion, like I could just eat a sandwich, like I would tell everybody this all the time because it's the exact opposite of what you just explained. Yeah, and then you get to the corner and you're like, oh, fuck yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I just I would always feel that cause I'm always in my head it's the, it's the worst spot to be, and I've noticed that with riding dirt bikes. And I was good, I was fast, like I saw someone say not going fast enough. Like dude, I was going as fast as I could go you know, like fuck and um I.
Speaker 3:But I just noticed that like I can't get away from that, that thinking in my brain and just the overthought process of stuff when I don't need to dude yeah jujitsu, you, you know what he's good at, though, is the, the swamp boat racing where the guy just goes left and right he's super good at that. Yeah, they're all.
Speaker 1:This is yeah, oh yeah, but I love that your, your brain, would be able to like for comprehendance and yeah, dude, that'd be. Uh, what next one? Oh, speedboat, or dragster Speedboat, oof, what are you going with I'm?
Speaker 2:a land mammal. Dude, I'll take the dragster I think I'm going dragster too.
Speaker 3:I just found this You're going to pull that bitch apart every time you run it. You're going to rebuild the engine and stuff.
Speaker 2:No, I got dudes to do that Dude.
Speaker 1:My, that's actually a good point. I'm not that good at sitting in the pits when all that fuel is what the nitrous is when they rebuild the motor.
Speaker 2:It's just mind-boggling to me. A guy takes apart what are they? 20,000, now 10,000 horsepower. Yeah, in 40 minutes or 20 minutes. They take it apart, rebuild it, put it back together and go do four seconds.
Speaker 1:That's chaos. Well, that's a. Have you sat there and watched them rebuild it?
Speaker 3:The resources, the efficiency, and then you're really just running a quarter mile. If I can go get in a speedboat and rip that thing to Catalina, dude, come on, that's a good point, we both follow what is Vehicle.
Speaker 2:Magazine where they have the speedboats from the 80s in.
Speaker 3:Miami All the co-runner boats too yeah.
Speaker 2:That makes me not want to do it dude.
Speaker 1:We've been doing a lot with offshore boat racing. We just did a big race down there. Uh, for those guys it was so sick, they got some jet engine you want to talk about money.
Speaker 2:You think trophy trucks have money.
Speaker 1:Oh no, dude, those are like each one of those boats was three and a half to four and a half million each boat. Yep, it was gnarly that's badass dude.
Speaker 2:Uh, that was it. Oh, chips and guacamole or fries and ketchup, this one should should be pretty easy.
Speaker 3:Chips and guacamole.
Speaker 1:Yeah bro, all day dude, we actually had one that was. I forgot what it was, but let me see if I can find the question, because somebody asked a good one in here. Oh, I can't find it now. Oh well, standing mile in a built street car is more impressive.
Speaker 3:I like watching those shows.
Speaker 2:Sometimes I'll watch 1320 stuff do you have a favorite hypercar? That's so tough, not supercar hypercar that's so tough.
Speaker 3:I really appreciate all the Pagani stuff and the Conan Zigs.
Speaker 2:See this guy, Mine is a Huayra.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the design. That's the thing too with supercars. People don't understand. I don't necessarily love them for their statistics, but their design. They have amazing design. I can look at Lambos and Ferraris and everything above that, but I can grasp the design. They are all dude, so Pagani and Conan Sig.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Huayra to me, with the outside sleekness but the inside vintage slash cockpit style with the billet. That's it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's it that's it, dude, what kind of super car would I get or a? Hyper car. No, I could agree, I'd agree with you guys, but honestly, like I'm still like I will go back and say, like I don't need a hyper car anymore, like I really want my station wagon, that's fast, yeah I just, what about just that guy?
Speaker 3:what about old supercars? If you guys could have an old supercar, what would you have?
Speaker 2:uh old supercar at 40 reference okay at 40 I would take a clk gtr yeah, super rare, super rare I love those cars, I'm a ferrari guy, though I like the ferrari, I got to drive one in vegas and I was like i'm'm sold.
Speaker 1:Since I'm well, I used to have an E55. That's why I'm so into them. But like I would probably pick Morgans, but if I can't, the picture on the wall when I was a little kid was a Lamborghini Countach.
Speaker 3:Have you ever been in one of those.
Speaker 2:Oh, they're so small, dude.
Speaker 1:They're pieces of shit too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you have to open the door and sit out to back them up. Really, I guess I saw one at SEMA and I was like dude, this is a small-ass car.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, gtr like back in the 90s or whenever they did that thing, dude, all-weight, you know mechanical manual shifter Like dude. That thing was fucking crazy dude.
Speaker 2:Okay, so today CTS-V or E63 AMG Black.
Speaker 3:I really like the Black Series. I don't think that you're not talking about the current Black Series cars.
Speaker 2:You're talking about the one that came out in 2008, 2006, 2008?
Speaker 1:The one with the gutted interior.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, yes. Nine or ten right or something around it. Yeah, somewhere around the interior was gutted interior. Yes, yes, yes, 9 or 10, right or something around it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, somewhere around it they had the C-Class one, and then they had two different models. Right, they had the C-Class, which was the more production, and then they had that like what was the coupe one? Like with the drawn-out front end and stuff.
Speaker 2:Wasn't that the E63 AMG Black.
Speaker 3:No, that's just the s class, it's just a pure no sl. Oh, the sl yeah, okay, and that was a black series too, with the pronounced they also have a black?
Speaker 2:yeah, they also have a black.
Speaker 1:I like the c, the c black, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you are talking about the one with the gut interior, right no, uh, it's still got interior, but it's not, uh, it's not like super race. It's like don't turn traction control off race, but it's not like. It's not like super race. It's like don't turn traction control off race, but it's not like 65 amg.
Speaker 3:Yeah, see, that's it the f1 mclaren, ryan jennings said for the old super cars that would be a sick one. Oh, I would agree with that. Yeah, that would be sick too. I think that.
Speaker 2:Oh ryan has a roshan have you seen that car?
Speaker 1:I seen that car. I love that car.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that car. It's a kit car-ish from Europe. Yeah, it's a bad car.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:And he's had one. He's had it forever and I've always wanted it.
Speaker 3:Maybe you'll sell it. Dude That'd be, rad, I'll sell my 5, I think the Black Series for sure, just because the DTM styling on there. That leaves the imprint dude. I don't give a fuck about if it's American or it has more power or less power, it's just nasty.
Speaker 2:I just like the CTS-Vs. I'm just a big Mercedes guy. I love the Black Series. I like the AMG Mercedes. They're pretty dope, but the Blacks I have a.
Speaker 3:CTS-V. I just have an older one, but it's just been a. I've put a lot of money into that car, yeah well that's what you pay for with Cadillac.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you guys know who Justin Smith at Shock Therapy is. He just got a CTS-V and you can't even He'll go through tires in a day. I saw that video you posted, dude, it was fucking scary. He stood on it like at around 80 miles an hour and we just started going around.
Speaker 2:I was like, oh, we're dead, yeah it was just insane dude it was. It was a cool ass car though but I'm a sucker for a high horsepower, high luxury. That's why I like the mercedes blacks.
Speaker 1:They're just big luxury guy over here, morgan, I mean, I appreciate any driver and then, like the gen 3 ctsv is great, like the 2017s and 18s.
Speaker 3:I went and test drove those I was going to get one of those a while ago and they're great. I rode in one that was heavily modified, like on flex and pulleys and stuff, and it was an experience of like I couldn't like my stomach and stuff. It was like a ride at Six Flags. It gripped so hard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, like it was fast. Yeah, so he just said the w202, uh, dtm cars. Just think about if it's not a dtm car, how cheesy those things look. I know my buddy used to have one of those, his mom.
Speaker 3:We called it the e-ticket ride and it had a. It had a. You know how they used to have cd changers yeah, I had a cassette changer what really rack like six cassette tapes in there and it would like float through and you know play which one you want that's rad.
Speaker 2:I've never even heard of that. That's next level.
Speaker 3:It has little windshield wipers for the headlights.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, yeah, dude, doesn't that car just look like you just have blown out shocks right in the school? I could I could go wherever you want. With that I could, I could go wherever you want with that?
Speaker 2:don't those have uh v12s in them?
Speaker 1:I don't think so.
Speaker 1:I think those are just standard sixes or eights oh man, it was really good talk with you, morgan. I appreciate it. Uh, it was cool to dive, dive deep and just kind of get to get to understand what makes you tick dude, like to be honest, I didn't expect to have mila told, told me he goes. George, you're going to have a lot of similarities to Morgan and I didn't expect to have as many as I do, and I really appreciate the mindset that you have. Without getting too far into blowing you, I would just say the way that you are a leader and the things that you are doing to be able to push forward in an industry that needs help and to be able to showcase what a person that's creative can actually do with their life help people, help industries, be a family man. All of these different things are very, very refreshing to hear, dude, and I appreciate you being that type of person motivational well, I appreciate that I don't, I don't, you know, see all that myself.
Speaker 3:I just I again trying to do the best I can every day, and I think everybody has ups and downs and hardships and all that. And I think there's key things you can do in your life to get through that stuff that can be a solid foundation, no matter what, of just not stopping has been so helpful to me, because I still get dark spots, you know, just mentally, and it's just that thing of just don't stop, no matter what, is so crucial to me, you know. So I really appreciate being, you know, sharing time with you guys, and Mila mentioned so much about your story, george, that I feel like I need to know there's a lot to you that I'd love to invest time into figuring out and knowing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, one of these days we'll have to get all three of us left to sit down and get tacos or something.
Speaker 2:I still owe Morgan. I bailed out on Morgan at SEMA for Vic and Anthony's. I said, hey man, I got steak dinner on me at Vic and Anthony's and we were going to meet up and I was so bummed out with SEMA that I left a day early and left him hanging. Way to go, dick, I know we all got to get to Vegas and sit and have a steak dinner and hash it out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that sounds good we have this SEMA, and this SEMA is going to be pretty special for me because of the Dakar that's going to go and we're going to have it with Baja Designs. I love when the companies are on my level where they're like dude, bring it however you want, doesn't have to have this, does just bring it what however you want, present it however you want, and we want to have it just like that, and it's their main car, it's in the main hall, uh, so I'm gonna is that your first car at sema?
Speaker 3:well, no, last year we had okay in there but, it wasn't but it the only. The blessing with vivian is I didn't have to do any legwork of getting the car there, so I did the same thing I came with Taylor and we did a turn and burn. I walked, I saw everything I needed to in one day and I was out of there. Yeah, and this one is going to be tricky because we'll have to be there for the extent. Roll it in, set it up, be there, you know, take it home.
Speaker 2:If there's any advice I can give you for sima it's 90, not worth it. But there's always the 10 gems. Sometimes you got to walk through twice. Sure, those are the 10 I go for. I don't go for 90 of it. The 10 you'll find the little gym in the corner. That's not in a big booth. You're like dude, that's a beautiful car yeah, and I get that.
Speaker 3:I think last year I was. I was really just there to go hey, cool, we got a car and a booth, let's go take that in for a minute, let's look at people looking at it and stand back, and we did that and I think what I could do, just because I'm going to have a little more time, this go-around is network. With any, you know, there's an aspect of networking that you can get there and I really was just an assassin last time Be-lined it. It looked at all the cars, quick and dirty, and then left and I felt fulfilled. I think this time, now that there's there's all this time I need to be there. I'm gonna go around and establish some relationships with companies that I'd like to support and I'd like for them to support us.
Speaker 3:You know, yeah, that's sick dude get some of that marketing talk you know and just hey, you like this there you go, dude I'll tell you.
Speaker 2:You'll feel good when you leave. Dude, one of my most proudest moments I've ever had was having the truck at the toyo booth. Yeah, it's just a good feeling.
Speaker 1:So good for you, thank you yeah, because you get to showcase your work, man dude, it just feels good when people stop.
Speaker 2:So you see them walking by and they're like, oh wait, and then they walk back and they spend time there.
Speaker 3:It's just a good feeling I've had I've had that experience at the off-road expo in the sand sports show for several years in a row, uh, but that obviously seems just a different platform, you know, yeah, it's very interesting because my brain I'm like dude is the. Is the range rover gonna like?
Speaker 2:is it?
Speaker 3:gonna do. Good, how's it gonna be this and that?
Speaker 2:because I, you know, I'm so in my own bubble with the thing but it's cool because you have off-road people at the sand sports and off road expo. But at sema you have people from 30 40 different countries looking at your stuff.
Speaker 1:That's the best part yeah, everybody from all kinds of different walks more than 30 or 40 countries all over the world all right, morgan, thank you very much I appreciate it. We'll let you get back to your family and uh, man, it was really good you guys run this thing.
Speaker 3:Are you going to have this up as a video to watch, or is this just going to stay live?
Speaker 1:No, it'll be uploaded. So once we finish this, I'll hit the upload button. We'll put a little comment in there. I don't know. I'll see if I can collaborate on the lives, but if not, you can look at the link on the Dirt Life and we can share it on your story or whatever, all right. Well, thank you guys. What a pleasure.
Speaker 3:Thank you very much, see you soon later.
Speaker 1:Man, that was so cool.
Speaker 2:I like I said before, dude, like there was so much to that interview that well, you told me before we had it that I was gonna totally get along with I just think that morgan is a lot misunderstood in our industry and I I find myself sticking up for him a lot because where I come from it's all racing and and you know, because he's kind of pigeonholed into off-road um, because that's where the money is for him right now and that's the trucks that he's doing. He's not really as appreciated as I think he needs to be. I feel like I'm more of a car builder than a truck like off-road guy in a lot of ways and I see what he does and I feel like the level he brings in, the mentality, his just I've talked to morgan a lot and he just the mentality he has on life and tackling things, it's kind of like jocko yeah.
Speaker 1:I was going to say the humanistic element of the way that he lives and his mindset is what attracts me the most to him as a person, and that's why I thought we would have a good interview.
Speaker 1:Well, he did. He really did a good job, and thank you guys very much for joining us and hanging out. We will post this so you guys can watch it again later on Instagram. I know it's not the best platform to do it. Watch it again later on Instagram. I know it's not the best platform to do it. We probably should do it on YouTube, but anyways, you guys will still get it. So we really appreciate it. Please support all the people that support us.
Speaker 1:So thank you very much to everyone at Maxxis Tires, everyone at Shock Therapy, evolution, power Sports, zollinger Racing Products, vision, canopy and Starstream. We really appreciate you guys watching. Thank you to Mila. No, thank you, man, we're hanging out. I really enjoy this. It was cool. Uh, and obviously massive thanks to Morgan Clark for uh, you know, setting aside a little bit of time out of his busy schedule. I know that hopefully he'll get to be able to eat dinner and hang out with his family tonight and thank all you guys. Yeah, thank you guys For hanging out with us Until next time. This is Dirt Life Show. Deuces. Thanks for listening to the Dirt Life Show.
Speaker 3:See you next week. We'll be right back.
