Andy McMillin, Seth Quintero, Darren Parson of Terra Crew, & Ryan Edwards of KMC

5X Baja Champion, racing at the pinnacle of the Offroad world Andy McMillin fills us in on the behind the scenes of what it takes to run his program.  We talk with Seth Quintero about having such a great mentor in Andy, as well as Darren Parsons of Terra Crew and Ryan Edwards of KMC Wheels.

Andy lets us know his favorite Taco spots in Baja, how he got the name Bebo, and moving his racing program in-house.

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Welcome to the dirt life show with your host, George Hamil. Yeah, welcome to episode 128 of the dirt life show. We are happy to have you guys here today. Man we have a good show for you guys lined up tonight we are at Annie Macmillan racing in Southern California. It's going to be a great show. We have our buddy surf contest was in the house to man. out off the press. Play now the friends. What's up guys, welcome to episode 128 of the dirt life show. We are Andy Miller, Andy Macmillan motorsports, actually, what do you call anything beyond racing? Sure. How about that Andy Macmillan shop here in Southern California. We're excited to have you guys with us tonight, man. It's gonna be a great show. We're going to talk about all kinds of stuff. We're going to talk about the top level of racing. We're going to talk about grassroots motorsports, we're going to answer all your guys's comments and questions for the man the myth, the legend here. So we have two awesome, awesome Redbull athletes sitting right next to me. To my far left, we have Seth Cantero just got straight off the plane from Miami was in the premier motorsports world this weekend with f1 racing. How was it did? Yeah, it was rad. I literally just got off the plane probably. You still have all your credentials on your arm. Yeah, I I will give them two of our you know, this was just last night's wristbands. Yeah, there was a lot of wrist bands throughout the year turned up. No, no, no, I'm just nice, relaxed all weekend watching some racing. So Seth literally just walked into the building. So he might turn up his mic a little bit and eat some of his canes. Uh, we got him over here just so he can have some energy for the show. But tonight's show is is going to be awesome. We have a couple special guests that are going to call in we have Ryan Edwards from KMC wheels is going to call in. Talk to us a little bit about helping out with Andy's program. And we also have one of our buddies from Terra crew. Darren Parsons is going to call in as well. So that'll be pretty fun. But let me give Andy a proper introduction here. So Andy is a five time Baja champion started driving when you were 10 years old, I guess huh? Man, that's crazy. raced his first class one race at the age of 1414 years old in a class one car man. Like that's phenomenal. Like that doesn't even happen these days, man. And you're featured in the movie Deus the glory that to me, like just gives me the chills just thinking about it. Because that movie is so epic. I know. It makes me seem a little. But that's so cool, though. 35 on Wednesday, you Happy birthday man. You've almost been driving my whole lifetime. And he is the youngest driver to ever win the overall title in Baja, which is fantastic. Yeah, Baja. 1000. Baja. 1000. There you go. Okay, and the winner of many US races like the mint 400 as well. So welcome, Andy Moville on the show, dude. Thanks, dude. Appreciate you having me. Thanks for coming to the shop. Yeah, well, I appreciate you having us here. So we have this fantastic piece of machinery behind us your weapon of choice for the latest season that it is I think is a pretty cool beast man. Johnny was working on it today I think is bad asked him. Yeah, those trucks are, I mean, just the level of the Trophy Truck nowadays, compared to what we had. I mean, even five years ago, before the all wheel drive stuff, it kind of hadn't changed in a long time, you know, some stuff with with electronics and, and data acquisition. But for the most part, the trucks have been, you know, pretty much two wheel drive monsters for a long time. And that's changed the game. That's a lot of the stuff that I want to talk about today is getting your personal view of the premier level in motorsports. Right, like, because Seth just got back from the highest level of motorsports on the planet, right f1 RACF. And off road, in my opinion, is getting a lot of, I don't know, vibes taken away from f1. There's a lot of data telemetry, all kinds of different systems that are put together on these new trucks. I want to talk about the premier level in off road racing now compared to what it used to be and how you went through those steps. Yep. And a lot of stuff like that. I think it's gonna be pretty cool, man. Let's see here. So let's go through some of the intro stuff here. Actually, you know what, since we just talked about the truck, let's switch his camera angle real quick. And then you can tell us who built the truck who maintains it. That kind of fun stuff, because I think it's bad. Yeah, so this truck to Mason motorsports. So I actually had a mason motorsports two wheel drive truck that I drove for about a year and a half before this and 2018 and 19. And then then this is the fourth all wheel drive truck that that Mason built and it was completed in the middle of 2019. And we've been racing it ever since. It's a beast. It's mid engine, all wheel drive. It's got a Joe Gibbs racing engine coupled to extract transmission with a with a torque converter in it. Fox shocks, KMC wheels, tow tires, 40 inch tires, four and a half inch shocks. It's 105 gallon fuel cell. It's that thing. It's just a beast man. And I like how you slid the sponsor plugs in seamlessly. That was fantastic. Seth has been trying to teach me on the side a little bit. That's why I haven't hanging around. Your big sponsor guy over there. All right, well, let's kind of ease into the conversation then why get some of our sponsor plugs in Seth, give us a little bit of a rundown on how your weekend was dude with Miami. f1. That's phenomenal. Yeah, that I don't think I'll ever experienced anything like that ever again. It was. It was it was a movie for sure. I mean, I've never been to Miami. Miami alone is such a beautiful place and really fun to be at. But I mean, f1 is it's the pinnacle of all motorsports. And I mean, I got to have dinner with Pierre Gasly. And Yuki and the whole alphatauri team get to figure out their team strategy and, you know, hanging out I got I got a selfie with Chekhov. Actually. I don't know if you guys have seen that. Check. I was in the pay. It's hanging out. He texted it to me. Yeah, we weren't allowed to take any pictures. Oh, so he's just throwing jabs. Like why he's there? No, no, no. Okay, so Andy was invited while I was there. I got him a ticket. I was like, Hey, dude, talk to James like, let's get Andy out here. You had a ticket? You could have came I was I was golfing. Yeah, you chose golf over f1 Miami. I just started I couldn't bail on. I couldn't bail my cousins. Yeah. When you're in the middle of the conversate or the golf game did you can't cut out right even started yet? No, we did. We were like whole three. Yeah, the exam. That's funny, man. But yeah, dude, so it looks super fun. Like I'm just pumped that you get the opportunity to be able to do that stuff. Dude, it's rad. Let me ask you. I don't I follow a couple f1 drivers, obviously never seen any in person. I went on Pierre Gasly, his Instagram page and it's a little bit of stalking myself. And he posted a picture at the gym. And he is yoked he's a big dude. Does he seem like that in person? So he's like, he's probably my he's about six foot maybe a little bit shorter. Yeah, he's probably like 180 pounds. Like he's not like really built but he's cut because he's always wearing like a race suit. Or like, you know, long. He's. He's a he's a lean muscle for sure. But he's like, Yo, yeah, he works out a lot. So he's like a Tour de France guy. You know, it's gnarly. I didn't I didn't realize how small Yuki is. Oh, really? I'm talking like he's up to here on really? Yeah, he's gonna be barely pushing five foot. They moved the pedal box up for him. And really? Yeah. barely pushing five. Those dudes are bad, though. Matt. Yeah. And how is it compared to Off Road? So this is like this topic could go on for a very long time. Because like every time Andy and I seem to get together, we seem to try to talk about this. And why off road isn't at that level that f1 is, I mean, obviously, there's the reasons but we're, we've been for the past year. So we've been trying to figure out what's missing from the off road side to get to that point and level. But I don't know, I'm not too sure what it is, I don't know if it's just the vibes and people want to be around it and watch or it's just, it's a really smart marketing play from the beginning. And large manufacturers are in it. And you could see kids go from go karts to f3 f2, or go to Indy and then come to f1. So I think that it's just because there's a lot of stepping stones and a lot of large manufacturers support where the big money is, and then you come to Off Road and the only manufacturer support we have is, you know, going back in that day, obviously we had the trucks had some manufacturers support, but now it's players can't and Yamaha Kawasaki, it's more than that. So I think that's really the only reason why off road racing isn't at the level of f1. Obviously, there's other reasons and yeah, it'll never be I don't think it'll ever be at that level, just because I mean, you look at f1. And that's just serious money. It's crazy and booziness. But yeah, I think we can step up the game for sure. And like I was saying, and I have done hours and hours and hours of talking about how we can really offer up to that next level. It's cool to see that though, because like you're getting the opportunity from companies like Red Bull, and obviously all your other sponsors to be able to do that. Because that didn't exist a long time ago, the crossover or the integration of putting off road guys in front of f1. And then, I mean, it kind of happens on the other end, right? Like NASCAR guys will come over and check out off road like so there is crossover like that didn't used to exist. Like to me that's super cool that it happens nowadays and that companies like Red Bull are doing that. Yeah, I mean, I think what's cool about rebel is they invest a lot in their athletes. And so you know, they they take care of them once you're in with Red Bull you're you're pretty much in until you mess up and do something stupid or more you dump them which I actually did back in 2000 at the end of 2007 which was crazy. But now it's you know, they like giving back to their athletes and giving them experiences that you know like you said going f1 of Miami like people just don't get the chance to go and do VIP access and go to the team dinners exactly like not even just that but like I've branched from racing strictly UTVs and America to going and doing like I'm getting an extremely cars, WRC cars I've driven obviously the OT three have driven all the T one cars at this point so like I've been want to branch out and go so many different sides and hopefully I can do some some asphalt racing next but yeah, like you said Red Bulls done such a great job with I mean, not just me with so many different athletes. I mean, you look at the roster of athletes and Red Bull Dude, it happens with like dirt bikes, everything. So cool, man. I love all of that versatility that they provide. Alright, let's go to a couple are things I gotta get some stuff Oh, show stuff out of the way here. So, again, thank you very much for joining us. We're at Andy McMillan racing in Southern California. Thank you to Seth, for joining us, obviously, thank you to Andy for letting us stay. Have the show here. Please share all the comments, share everything on Instagram. We're already starting to get some comments, and we'll try to answer as many as we can. So please, thank you. And thank you very much for joining us and always share the show man because it helps everybody not just the show, it helps all these guys with some of their media stuff. And obviously getting some sponsor stuff out there as well. One of the companies that's giving back, evolution, power sports is one of our sponsors, super cool. Todd's a cone, Jacob zuccon, is a professional side by side racer now. And Jacob in his younger years had to be at the Phoenix Children's Hospital for some illnesses and stuff. And now Todd has the opportunity to give back. So evolution power sports is going to be doing some really creative, awesome things with the Phoenix Children's Hospital. And I love to see not just the crossover that we're talking about now. But the crossover back into giving back into real world real life stuff. So kudos, evolution, power sports, for doing that, please pay attention to our social media, the evolution power sports, social media, I know these dudes sitting right here, will definitely try to help out if they have the opportunity as well. And we're going to talk about like the stuff. Tonight, I think that Seth is a good person to talk about this with Andy is already at the pinnacle of the off road racing world and all wheel drive trophy truck, and Seth is on his way, right. So I think it'd be really cool to bring up those subjects and talk about how younger drivers do that. We have a lot of young drivers in our audience talk to him about this though. I swear I didn't. So like what you're saying right now we talk about on a daily basis. Oh, really, for hours at a time we'll talk about it. I just thought it was a good conversation. Because like me, I mean, I'm an old guy now. But I still want to know the same kind of thing. Like if I wanted to race right now. Like this is the perfect two people to talk to you. Right. So I think it'd be cool because there's a lot of young people in our audience that I think will get a lot of information out of it. And then maybe we'll talk about some how it correlates to some of the other racing genres that we that we are able to see. And I want to know, one specific question today, Seth. Oh, no. Did you were you're blown out vans to the f1 race. No, no, no, they're new. I was a little scared. Do you know about my blown up? Did you talk about No, no, I've seen him. I saw you what a week ago. Yeah, no, you're right. We're haggard and your mom dealing with something on her Instagram. I think it was when you were shopping to go to Miami we were looking at some nice collared shirts to like mix him with the vibes and your mom zoomed in on your shoes they were for like couple days for my dude your shoes have three holes in them you gotta you gotta up your game. Drivers do they are smoked from so I'm glad that you got the new ease you got to had to bring out the bad boys to impress man sponsor me if you're watching this. Yeah, and please like I said share the show you can always watch us on YouTube and Facebook at a later date as well if you guys don't get to catch the live show, but the live show is always the best man so come hang out with us on Monday nights. Let's see here. And if you are driving across country just listen to us on iTunes or Spotify man. Thank you very much to all the guys at KMC wheels you know those guys a little bit both you guys they go after those guys. So yeah, thank you to them for not only supporting us and the show supporting these guys race program, but supporting the industry as a whole these guys are out all the events hanging out. So thank you to Ryan and Ryan. Ryan Edwards is gonna call in I suggest that you guys head over to your local four wheel parts dealership asked him what the brand new KMC wheels are and go check them out. They have some forged ones machined aluminum ones and they also have cast ones too that you can put on your rig which ones are you going to put on your truck or did you already what truck which truck? Oh look at this guy did you feel that flex I'm talking about the truck behind me because you know the Andy said that he's kind of getting older he's ready to retire soon. Oh, so you're trying to put it on that truck? Yeah, rumor at the on the blog as I'm racing the five. That's gonna be pretty cool, man. I can't wait to see that. So yeah, so check out the KMC wheels in your local four Oh, Parks dealership, please go support the guys over at Motul lubricants. Those guys do a bunch of cool stuff for the off road racing world. We are going to be in Texas at textbooks for the Outlaw Series this weekend. Doing a little bit of commentating and live feed stuff over there. Motul has a great very good presence over there. So please support multiple because they support the racing community. Support the guys over a shock therapy you can use the code dirt life show at the shock therapy. Shock therapists.com or shock therapy USA and save yourself some money on some limit straps a steering rack bumpsteer delete kit all that good stuff man. They make fantastic products. So go over the website and save yourself some cash I got my JL Audio shirt on. Thank you to JL Audio for making such fantastic products that just crank up the music. We were listening to some pretty good music in the shop today. Yep. Johnny. Johnny had a good playlist. Johnny's got the typically it's hip hop Fridays. Yeah. But he said he switched it to Monday for today. Okay, okay. He was he said the vibe was high. So all right. So thank you to Johnny for playing some good tunes. And thank you to JL Audio for being part of the show. Like I said, thank you very much to evolution power sports for not only supporting the show, but being just good human beings in general and giving back to the community and the off road racing world. Thank you guys. So red zones, racing products ERP you can use the code the dirt life as laundry racing. products.com Get yourself some tie rods radius rods match up with your shock therapy steering rack. Oh, and oh, I actually got a text message saying that. You have some cool stuff happening with vision canopies? I do. Oh, yeah. Guys. Yeah. Do Kyle over there. Just yeah, he just texted and he said that. You guys have some question when one of the first offers offered races I went to in person that I can remember 1999 Baja 500. We went with our good friends, the Smiths, and the Aaron's Berg's, and Kyle and his brother, Matt, were there on that trip with us at the bar? 500. Danny three years ago, dude, how freaking crazy is that? It comes full circle does wild. Do you want to feel old? Oh, see the flexing that? He goes to what? Just comes back flexing. I just want to ask if he wants to feel old. Oh, so your first ball was what year? And where were you born like 2000 202 baby. But you can say you'll be sitting in the seats. I was gonna say like, you could just flex right back. Yeah, but as of right now, I gotta like, embrace. I appreciate it. It humbles me. I appreciate it. So maybe that's where this show is gonna end up going. Like I feel kind of like a battle path happening. Like, what's going to happen at the SV does to me every day. All day long, dude. So for most fun for anybody that doesn't know, SAP actually helps. Helps you pay rent and he's got a little part of the shop over here. You could say that. I can see the vibes honestly, he does. That's all I do. It's just like a Johnny Adam. My other guy Adam. Here. We're on our mid late 30s. Seth is 1314 Yeah, he the younger vibe around and helps us feel youthful. And so that's always does he is he allowed to share the playlist with you guys? For sure. No, he takes over. Whenever I'm here. I take over the play. Yeah, that's a dude. That means you're accepted. But it's some weird flex to. Well, on that side. There's the music that you put on. Oh, my music is great. I know. But it's just not always in tune with what we're feeling. Just come in and just have one ad and we're like, Well, okay, we're going country, I guess. All right. That's cool. That's how it is. That's hilarious, man. Okay, and then. Yeah, so thank you the guys over at cryo heat as well. Those guys are making doing awesome stuff in Oceanside, California, you can get yourself a Pro Mod transmission. Save yourself some weight, get yourself less rolling resistance in your car. Alright, so let's jump into the show man. Our featured guests, like I said is Andy McMillan, all kinds of racing credentials, stoked to be able to come here and talk with them. So what was the I know you have a lineage of off road in your family? But what was the thing like the qualifying thing that made you want to do it because sometimes, you know, you're an off road, you want to go play baseball, you don't want to do a dead like what's the No I actually I grew up so I started going to the races when I was I started going on the pre runs actually, when I was three or four years old. My dad had a had a pre round Bronco. Yeah, and had two seats in the front took out the bad seat back seat, put one like Kid seat in it. And, and that's what I that's what he put me in and like a modified kind of car seat thing. threw me in that and took me down period in the Baja 500 by 1000. And I loved it. I mean, I love the culture, the people the terrain, the sense of adventure, you know, just something that I went back to school or preschool wherever the heck I was back then. And like other kids weren't doing that. Yeah, it was just kind of something different. And then obviously we got to the sand dunes, Gordon's well Glamis. grew up doing that spending, you know, Thanksgiving and Christmas out there and New Year's obviously, not Christmas, New Year's and some get up there on Christmas. So I maybe I did a couple of years. Actually. No, I think about it. We saw some people had a Christmas tree out there one year with the presents. Yeah, so we used to go to the new year's race. The there's a series per minute that are called Fudd Fudd. Pucker, really, and he would put on he would put on these races. No, no weird name, but his name was Otis Bucher. That was his name. Yeah, that's cool in this column fun. And actually, you start talking about my first race driving at 14 That's the series I did it and like you were supposed to have a permit and like a license and like do other stuff. Well, we said my dad was driving and I just put on your helmet you filled out the form we put our helmets on was intended visors, left our pit to go to the start line sat in the car and never got out. No one came up and like asked any questions and then boom, 14 years old my dad was right when we hit the start line. Yeah, that's Yeah, but I you know, I loved off road racing just because going around it seeing all the big teams you know, Ivan Stewart, Robby Gordon, Larry Raglan Walker Evans, and just wanting to be that I mean, waiting, waiting in the middle of nowhere for for two hours. And then the first truck comes through and the fans get hyped and all the people watching Get hyped, and it's just like, it's an adrenaline rush like no other. I was like, man, one day, it'd be so rad to be one of those guys. AirDog says welcome for hello from rich crest. And he also said welcome home. I haven't seen my dad like a week and he just went out of town again. So I got another another week. Let's see. We're gonna get back into talking about what Andy was talking about, like growing up and the off road culture, but I just remembered what I was looking at your social media Seth like, Did you pack Miami T shirts? Like I went for Miami vibe. You should. I was thinking the st like, where do you go to get that though? Nordstrom Rack? Oh, you gotta go there. Clearance aisle. Nice. $5 tees. You're on? Yeah, I was halfway buttoned down all the chains out. You know what I mean? Or a white hat? Like three buttons down right here. Not allowed to wear socks. There are Yeah. What in Miami? I thought there was no socks. I've never worn low cut socks in my life. But I bought those. Oh, you see? Yeah, that's the vibe. Right? Yeah. What's the f1 f1 made him be somewhat sanitary. I guess. Yeah, you could run low low socks like the low low ones. Like Andy's got on no shows. Yeah, he's like stand and he's got some serious style going on. Skinny jeans running shoes. What else we got gone. You're not really skinny jeans. My legs are just crazy. I am a it just comes off. So the Ryan's I need to have this jacket. I really liked this jacket. Dude. was talking about fat like three years ago. We're just talking about fashion all night. Yeah, Miami fashion. Yeah. So to think about it. So growing up like it because Seth and I both did similar things like that, you know, growing up going to the dunes and stuff like that. But they're still like that, that. That's the next level that you're thinking because you're a young kid, right? You don't really know. And then you get this opportunity at 14 years old. You're in that transitionary stage. You know, you're, you know, figuring out who you are as a person, like, what leads you to wanting to do off road because that's a pretty solid commitment. I think I just I grew up playing basketball. Probably when I was eight or nine years old, I've started playing competitive basketball. I don't know how I got into that. And honestly, probably just Elementary School playing on the playground with the kids. I was just always just a competitive kid. Like, whether it was a car game with my grandma or Monopoly with my family. Like I always just always wanted to win. And so through basketball, when I first started driving our family's old race cars pre running when I was 1011 years old, I just, I wanted to get better. I wanted to progress. I wanted to be good. And and I thought, Okay, I'm given the opportunity to put in the work. And my dad's allowing me to drive. So let's make the most of it. And honestly, my dad was a big catalyst. And in allowing me obviously, to get behind the wheel, these old race cars and giving me the confidence. Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing is just, you know, I'm 14 years old, and you're going through weird stage in life, and you're changing from a boy into a man around then and, and my confidence wasn't super high. And he's just like, hey, you can do this. You got this, like I have, I have full trust in you. And I'm like, Yeah, exactly. Let's do it. Well, like and those opportunities don't come up that often. But like, when I think about it, how do I think about it? Let me see, like, I always think like, okay, so I was going to the dunes and I was having fun like on two wheels or four wheels. And then I chose two wheels, and I wanted to go that route. But the reason that I wanted to do it and I kind of am getting the vibe. I know Seth is like this, but it's not necessarily always about winning races. It's about achieving more and reaching goals and having something to look forward to Right. Like, we always talk about the vibe in your head that makes a champion, right? You're a multi time champion. When you get done with one race, the first thing that you probably do is debrief to get better for the next race, right, like, and that's what drives that mindset. And I feel like you started having that at a super young age when you started seeing these little tidbits driving with your dad. Yeah. Yeah. And I, you hit the nail on the head, and actually, it's a very short debrief, because right away I'm going into how do I win the next race? That's just a brief it's just it's almost like it's never enough like as soon as you as soon as you taste a little bit success or, or when I first started racing, and I passed the guy and I knew I was faster than him and it just built my confidence like it just it just became this game within myself just always trying to better myself and it's crazy how it works though right and that like it's that more that's that was that just keep striving for Word in, like, a lot of people don't actually get that. And there's some of our audience that is like, how do I get to a race? How do I race a car? It's because they have a little tiny taste of it. But then when it sucks, you end it's really good. That's off road racing, I think and just, you know, the off road culture is it's so addicting. Yes. So fun and a sense of adventure. And you have to do with your families and your friends and you're just around good people that you want to be around. You know, it's, it's, it's addicting. Yeah, it's crazy how it works, man. And I love talking about this stuff, because I love the way that the human body actually moves forward and actually escalates in progressing in life. Right? Like, it's not about just winning the race. It's not about getting the trophy. It's not about getting the money. It's about doing better and satisfying your soul or your love for progression. Yeah, there it is. That's the exact way to do it. Dude, audio clip. What are we like, you can't shut me out, though. Because like, we literally had this conversation, we could go like, I feel like I'm back in the truck. I picked him up from the airport. Really? Yeah. And we were having the same conversation. And like, I can just go back and be like, This is stuff we talked about nonstop. So should I change the subject? Oh, no, keep that we talked about that. We'll talk about it over and over and over again. Like I love this because like, we keep it very low key ones within ourselves, like the you know what we are talking about right now. It's nice to, like, get out and win. Let people know. Like, hey, like, we're not just like, we want to see this do better. We're not gonna just for us, we're gonna Yeah, next generation. And yep. So I'm excited to keep this going. But it's dude, it's it's so cool to see that because like, it's literally what I just said. That's the what drives champions. Like you could talk to anybody, even outside of motorsports. I'm talking to Michael Jordan. He was never satisfied and not in a bad way. He always wanted progression. Yeah. And that's what drives successful people, whether it's business or motorsports, whatever it is. So I'm glad that you guys have that conversation, because that conversation should never get old. Yeah. And I think I watched the documentary, The Last Dan's being a big basketball fan growing up. And I think he said, like, you know, I had set goals. But then once I accomplish that goal, how are we going to get to that next level? How are we going to get progressing, and it's, that was super inspiring to me, like, just don't give up, set a goal. Go crush it, as soon as you crush it, keep reaching higher and higher. Like don't just settle for, for for whatever goal you set, just yeah, just keep going. Keep moving. Are there some some things that you can help Seth with when when he asked you these questions when you have these conversations? That's a good question. I know, we probably need to get into the details. Do this for hours. Like what that is, I mean, it's hard. Seth has already, you know, had so much success in his, I guess, relatively short career even 1213. So, I don't know, like, I didn't start having a lot of success until I was his age. And he's had a lot. And he's only 19. Yeah, but like that. That's a weird subject to for me, because it's like, I've had a lot of really awesome, wins so early, but that almost like kind of killed me, because I like I needed, like, it made my standards so much higher, so much faster. So like, when I wasn't even pro yet. And I was winning these amateur races. When I turned pro, I wasn't gonna accept a second place, right every year. And I'm sure my mom and dad are listening, we would say every year because every year I would join a new class, I was getting older, and I never wanted to stay. I was always looking for competition. I always want to go further and further. And we said every year was a learning year and not one year, we like tried to keep it a learning year because I think we're still really competitive family. And like we're talking about, it's the love for progression. And I want to progress so fast. But it's also like kind of a downplay on my part. Because what if I make my career short? Because I didn't expect like I can still be racing, you know, work short course, or still be in the NA class trying to battle with those guys. But I want progression so bad that I'm willing to give up winning a couple more races. And then where I know I can do well, I'm already doing well, to go find more competition, not saying like people I used to race were were bad or whatever. But like, I wanted something new. And I almost like that would hurt me in a sense, because that's all I want. I want new stuff every day. I want to I want to keep saying that stuff is you're in the perfect situation, right? Because now you have a mentor with Andy and Andy. It's awesome that you give him the opportunity to do this because you see the success that drive that he has, right like, that doesn't happen very often. Like that's a really cool dynamic for you guys to have. Yeah, I don't even know what led to me reaching out with you to begin with, is I think, honestly, I think we'd have a very similar mindset when it comes to not just racing but other things as well. I must have saw something. Yeah, there must be talking something or finishing an interview or something. I'm like, Dude, he's seen Seth is really mature for a 19 year old. Like I remember myself and 19 I was I was a frickin squirrel. I was nowhere near like, like, what Seth is or how he presents himself. And and he just, I mean, he has the sky's the limit. He just has so much opportunity on his plate. That gives you a good a good understanding of like, what the, I don't know that the new vibe can be for you because you can like, live vicariously through that as well. 100 person No, no. I mean, I have a son who's four years old. And, and, and it'd be interesting to see, you know, being a competitive person, that's one thing I'm scared of is like, living to vicariously through my own son and like, wanting to, like, I don't want to be the dad that's pushing him into something or making him do something he doesn't necessarily want to do, because I want it so bad for him. So I think that's, that's gonna be that's gonna be a valuable lesson for me to learn is just like, you know, let him do what he wants to do. Let him do let him be who he wants to be. And, you know, that's life and it's his life, and it is what it is. But if he chooses motor sports, or if he chooses baseball, if he chooses, you know, art and he's drawn weird pictures, you know, I'm, I'm okay with that drawn, we're definitely gonna give him a little boost in some of these things. A little push. Yeah. And then let them let them play. My parents gave me enough guidance, like, like, you know, they give you enough rope, you either hang yourself, or you or you make Alaska or I don't even I don't know if they gave you a lot of rope because they gave you a 14 year old they gave you a class one car that's pretty sick, for sure. For sure. They did. And they made me yearn it, you know, they made me work on that thing and take it apart and be at the shop every summer. You know, working and putting in the hours and getting CV grease all over my hands and all over my nose. And I had older guys that are a shop that would that were that that would give me a hard time and make me here my key but I think I earned their respect over the years. And you know, it's all part of the learning curve. And the lesson on on just growing up. I think that's super cool, though, that you have that opportunity. Like for me, it kind of worked out a little bit the same way to like, I grew up working on my dad's transmission shop, I got squirted by automatic transmission fluid, you know, like all the guys picking on me, you know, call me the little kid the whole deal. And then growing up racing dirt bikes, I kind of did the same thing as what Seth was talking about, like always wanting to be in a better class, I would race an 80 expert class. And then I raced in 125 Intermediate, and I raced in 250 intermediate. And luckily, I was fast enough, I could clean house and take home all the money, but that was like exactly what I was talking about. You never put yourself in a place where you're satisfied, because you're never gonna grow. Yeah, yeah. 100% That's super cool that you guys have that and you can share it together. Like that conversation that you guys have from the airport is very rare. No, it's real. Yeah, very real conversation. And it happens a lot more than than you think. And it's hard because it's so much it's, it's so much easier to look at things in a negative light and in a positive light. Like there's so many things happening that that are negative, but you know, it's important to take a step back and, and just kind of look at where you are. And have you ever heard anybody use the phrase never throw your helmet like after a bad race? Like, because there's always those guys with track. Everybody looks at it. You're like talking about this in Miami? Seriously. We're on the same way live in the past week. I was just talking to Mitch Guthrie about this about throwing the helmet thing. Yeah, don't be a little bit just suck it up as they're better next time. There's a couple of one drivers that were throwing helmets, because I was just talking about this at that level. Come on. Yeah. Like, yeah, you see somebody throw at home and you're like, man, yeah, you're not at home anymore. All right. So we're all on the same wavelength here. And I hope that you guys enjoy that because that means a lot to everybody around here. And whenever you see these dudes take some time and ask them these questions. I mean, like the understanding and the level of love that they have for the sport is insane. But I want to go to some stuff that's a little bit simpler here. Like one of the questions that I had on my list was what is the your favorite? I call it a track but like do you like racing in Baja more? Is there a track in the United States that you like, Would you like to go somewhere else like that car like hot? Like what's the interest level in the terrain that you have? I you know, I grew up in Baja, I grew up going to Baja, so Baja will, it will always have my heart for sure. Just the you know, the Baja 500 Baja 1000 is a great race. It's it's for me it's a lot more stressful. The Baja 500 Is my is my favorite race of the year. I think it's the perfect distance. You most of the time you go over the mountains, you run through the desert. You're on the fire roads around like Sky Ranch, you come back to the beach and run up the coast. You got heard it was gonna be a little different this year, though. Oh, yeah. I heard I don't know if that's true. Somewhere I saw or someone told me no beach this year. I think I think Austin fishes six told me that grabbed my interest. Interesting. Because I like the beach. Yeah, like Yeah, beach. Absolutely. The waves. Yeah. It gives you that time. In Supercross. You get that time in the air to pull a tear off and breathe. Like I feel like the beach is that part of to a certain extent, to a certain extent. There's some good straightaways where you can kind of take a breath, but I mean, the way the racing is nowadays in a lot of the classes, I mean, there's not I mean, my cousin beat me last year the ball 500 by four seconds, like there's not a lot of times where you can just take your hand off the wheel. Go and get a drink of water unless you're in a Speedzone. Like it's it's fistful kill full game the whole time. Dude, that's so insane, like four seconds. Like, this racing has gotten, like I'm saying, like, that's the main thing that I thought about today's show was the pinnacle of that like, that never used to happen. Four seconds, it was 1015 minutes. And that shows you the evolution of not just the drivers, but like the vehicles, which is crazy, because back in the day is still today in some classes, the game of endurance, and that's wild. And these drugs, it's like, alright, well, whoever makes the finish line first wins, and then you're gonna drive hard the whole way. You have the, the, you know, the tools to do it, which is is nuts compared to say, like five years ago, you know what I mean? Yeah. When you're talking about the tools, what do you mean? Like the equipment like the trucks and stuff like that? Yeah, dude, it's insane. Even the way that you TVs have developed, I mean, like, we brushed on it a little bit over the past couple of shows like how well he did at this overstate 300. Like, I mean, this, the whole level is going so much different than what it used to be like, that's one of the questions I think we should probably dip into is like, the difference in equipment that you have today, sitting right behind us, compared to two years ago. You know, because two years ago, those trucks are still no slobs are badass. Yeah, probably. So I got this truck three years ago, and the first Mason all wheel drive was built in 2017. My cousin actually my cousin Luke actually raised it to Vegas Torino for the Mason brothers. And the truck has come a long way since then. And but yeah, just I mean, these trucks are in the high 7000 pound range at the start line my old tool drive was was 6300 pounds. And you said the gas tanks are somewhere between 120 gallons similar my two will drive out 100 gallon cell this one's got 105 But this has, you know, over 1000 horsepower, my my to drive had a little bit already 800 You know, shocked technology, tire technology. The amount of drivers that have good equipment, like this truck sitting behind me that are that are battling it out. It's it's pretty insane. But it also it pushes the sport forward and makes it fun and kind of leveled the playing field with everyone. Which I think is really good. Well, four seconds. I mean, yeah, that's that's just it's like, I mean, it's like the spec. It's like the spec trophy truck class. Yeah, like that's an amazing class right now. Because really talented drivers. Really good equipment, good trucks that are almost bulletproof to a certain extent, and spec motor. So just really, really good hard racing. I've always told everybody like if I was going to be able to have a good healthy budget, I would do either a pro are like what Michi is doing or a spectrum kind of person because I feel like those classes are really competitive and there's always more drive to go forward. You know what I mean? 100% Yeah, I was talking about that the other day, just the evolution of the of the UTVs Yeah, I mean, just how far they've come. I mean, I remember when the Yamaha Rhino came out in like 2000 you have once maybe I think my dad got one and we had it down to the races I brought it we'd rather than San Felipe were around the dunes and it like it was such a blast you got you didn't get like you didn't kill it. I didn't I didn't kill it. I was nice to it. But just to see where that thing was compared to like what it was doing at Vegas Torino I got Yeah, hilarious. It's, it's mind blowing. But like that's, that's I feel like that's a future of our sport. That's where it's going. Polaris is a really big company with obviously a really good backing and, and what they're throwing into the sport and how they're pushing it and progressing it forward. It's It's exciting to see. So that kind of sounds like he's getting to be a big side by side guy. Yeah, I mean, he still won't get in the passenger seat of a car. But I just haven't had the opportunity to get to go to a test. I've asked him. He doesn't he freaks me out. Yeah, well, being in the passenger seat. You mean, to a certain extent? I'll go, I'll go with certain guys. But just, I don't know, just seeing the side by side. And he's like, dude, I'll do 80 through the whips through Barstow. And I'm like, Oh, well, yeah. I don't I get what you're saying. Yeah. And it's a lot different than what you're used to. Right? Yeah. So I can totally see the vibe that you're talking about. But do you drive side by side? So are you I, I don't I mean, I have one but like, we take it out to a river house and put around it with my kids. But I don't like we don't go down to Mexico and do Mexico trips. And um, so I probably haven't been exposed to the full capability of them, which is probably why it seems so gnarly to me that they can go the speeds they go over the terrain that's so I feel like it's a little different, though. Like, I would probably be the same as you because you have trucks that you pre run in that are a little bit more capable, like these things and stuff. So I could see where you want the same feeling like if you're riding dirt bikes, right, it's hard to go from a small bike to a large bike or a one to five to 250 or 250 or 450. Like so just keep everything kind of on the same plane and it helps. I mean, it's just what you're used to. Yeah, you know what I mean? It's Do you think that a lot of the side by side guys get build their driving skills well enough to be able to compete in these big classes? I mean, I would, I would assume so, you know, they're what they're doing and side by sides is what I was doing with my with my family's old, you know, kind of outdated class one cars and our programs back in the day with six cylinder motors with you know, only 1819 inches of travel. Their top speed was 100 miles an hour 105 miles an hour like it's pretty much what what the Pro are that Mr. Ives will do today. So that's a good point to bring up, right, like so that's that evolution that we were talking about at the beginning of the show, like so side by sides have caught up to what some of those classes were back in the day, right? I mean, like, if you put a flat out 10 car and up against michie's, it's gonna be a very close race at this point in evolution of off road. I mean, I remember in the early 2000s To be competitive in class 10 You had to run a Honda engine. Yep. And it was one of those VTEC engines. It was like 30 something $1,000 Just for the engine. That's nuts. You can buy a car for that. Yeah. And do a couple little things to it and go race it at the Baja 500 San Felipe bay or Vegas to Reno. Yep. And it's just so much more approachable. I think that's a big reason why the sports growing like it is right now. That's a good point to bring up. Yeah, cuz like the Eslinger engines and the some of the ProLight short course trucks gone and the wastage to the VA. So those Eslinger hours were like 5060 grams for a freakin motor. Yeah, so I got a question. So now that the pro ours out, right, because we've talked about this a few times, so where you you can't really see somebody going from a UTV straight individual, the truck and being competitive. Yeah, and what the stepping stone is to that, but not the pro ours out. And I mean, Mitch showed it, it can be a class one it'll be the class 10 Do you go from the pro AR to a 6100? Or do you still try to get into a car? I feel like you should. Because you're going to be the one that answers this, but I want to get my own here. Yeah, I feel like you should still go into a spec truck is 6100 truck because the way that the vehicle operates is completely different in the steering wheel and with your feet than it is in a side by side. Like you can't there's no replacement for that way in the way that the truck moves now 100% And yeah, the weight differences is the biggest thing there but but I think I think you ask a great question. It is a great question. You know, right now you would probably go from like a pro AR to maybe a class 10 Maybe I don't know there's not a lot of class ones racing in score right now there's like five or six or seven I feel like SAS suggestion of a 6100 is a good stepping stone though. I mean that's the problem is the price difference. Yeah, that's the my next question. The Pro are and what you buy for that what that cost you a year to go and race it and your Chase grew and your support crew it really correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't demand a whole lot of people have we got some Yeah, check it out. So look, we have here Darren Parsons. What's up, homie? How are you? Welcome to Episode 128. Andy and Miami Vice over yourself and Terrell Yeah. styling. They are styling. Seth even has his nice shoes on today. But my shoes on today I got the history off the jet right like straight jet setting today, isn't he? Yeah, it hasn't even got a chance to eat his cane. So I got off the plane. I landed at 355 and I got here right at five o'clock. I like 10 seconds before it went. Yeah, he literally ran up to the city said told that limo drivers stand on it. I know. I know. It can't be hanging out like that. Your Uber was pretty pen though. That was my Yeah, my mom came down pick me up my truck. And we're on our way. That's where you get it from. Hey, so Darren, thank you very much for joining us, man. So a couple of things that we've been talking about today is like the pinnacle of off road, right? And so all of us have known the lower levels and off road go into the dunes going out you know, taking your daily driver, you're side by side, whatever it is. When did you meet Andy? Like, what stage was he when you started knowing who he was? I mean, I was that dorky kid that frickin hopped in whatever buddy's vehicle we can get into to go down to Mexico and race and the Macmillan family obviously was the was the pinnacle of off road racing in Mexico. So I've I think I've followed Andy as long as that as we've had social media, thankfully to be able to stay tuned to it. But um, yeah, I spent time at least at least 15 or so years of following Andy in the family of the McDonald family. And yeah, absolutely. Looks like we lost some audio with Darren there. It's crazy to see that. Well, it's kind of feel good, though, when you hear stuff like that, right? Because it means that people genuinely care about what you're doing right. And again, like we're talking like, we're old grandpa's now. But like when social media didn't like happen, like it was way different than what it is now because now We can actually show the kids show the fans and show everybody how cool it is. And one of the earliest, the earliest social media for me when I was racing back then was YouTube. Yeah. And it was, yeah, it was Shawn Nelson, my guy back here, like some old YouTube videos from 2005 2006. And, and yeah, it was. It was social media before there was social media, and it was just trying to bring the fans into what we were doing and show them how we do it. And and yeah, but thanks. Social media has changed the game for sure. It really has. But I think it's not it's not just bad. I mean, like, well, it's a pain in the ass, right? Like, if I didn't have to do social media, I never would say, but, but it is cool, though, right? That we will probably go on it. Unfortunately, I would still go on it to like, look what people are doing, because you're hyped on it. Right? So think about the opposite, right? People are looking at you because they're hyped on what you're doing. So it's cool. And I wanted to take a second because Nelson your media guy was telling me that you guys are restarting your YouTube channel too. Yep. Yeah, we are Nelson came in and threw some ideas around on the table. And, and yeah, we're relaunching? Hey, there we go down. There we go. So let's finish that combo combo, though. So what kind of stuff are you doing on the YouTube channel? So we're pretty much just trying to bring everyone in behind the scenes on you know, what goes into pre running for the races down in Baja, all the pre running the functions testing, getting the truck ready in the shop. And and then the strategy and the race day and pretty much everything that goes in behind the scenes leading up to the race. Can I'm raising my hand right here? Can I make a huge suggestions? So I heard a couple of your conversations like a fly on the wall. You were talking about eating healthy, you were talking about behind the scenes stuff? Like is there any way you could introduce some of that stuff? Because I think that stuff is so cool. Yeah. I mean, to a certain extent, like I don't know, when I talk about things on my guys in the shop. I don't think like people will find this interesting or, or that people really care about what we're saying or what we're well, no, but I had to go get Seth canes. And I was like, I have to Well, I want to get me some. But I wanted to stay and have that conversation because I was like, Dude, this is where it's at, like, this is what I want to talk about today. Yeah, like that stuff to me seems so cool. Because that's the level of our sport, the pinnacle of our sport, it's making you guys think outside the box to be able to, like, have that advantage. Right. Yeah. And it's just, I mean, it's it's just self confidence. It's it's mental clarity. And you know, any kind of little advantage you can get going into a race to kind of separate yourself from the competition is things I'm willing to do. So talking about that we're gonna actually have a show with the guys at Fluid logic and Maglock in the next couple months here, about that, all that stuff. So all right, Darren, are you good to go now? Yeah, the exam. sounds much better did. All right. So you were talking about no Anandi for quite a while now and following him for quite a while, like, what's the attraction to all the stuff that he's doing for you? Well, I mean, you know, the, obviously is the, again, the pinnacle, you think of the pinnacle is an off road, he definitely I think of Andy and the Mason all wheel drive truck, and 1000 horsepower, big box, like, doesn't get any better than that. But then also, you know, I think that him partnering with Nelson to go down to Baja and show a lot more of that behind the scenes stuff definitely just makes the draw of attention even more, because now I'm like, Hey, we get to see more of what's actually going on down there. I feel like there's only a few drivers that are doing it. And, you know, I, as much as I appreciate the very professional level edits and content that comes from the race down there. I want to see the raw stuff, I want to see them down there experiencing what I would want to experience by going on the Mexico I'm not going to be able to be up in a helicopter chasing the trophy truck in 30 miles now. But I'll tell you what, like, I'd love to see what kind of taco shop you know. And when we go down there, again, like I want to be like, hey, that's like, that's where I can go get tacos, we're probably the kind of place I want to rent my family. Right? When we go down there, I want to go find that freaking cool beach house that we can go take our pre render to we can do a cruise around and mess around with all the local activities and stuff like so I think that bringing that authentic, natural environment into social media for Andy is going to be huge this year. I'm really looking forward to seeing more of it. Yeah, same I liked those suggestions, too. No, I appreciate that. I can put like when we're when we're doing stuff and when we're trying things out because this is somewhat new for for me and what I've been showing people well Nelson just wrote down a whole like bible of all this stuff that we just talked about. So perfect. But yeah, I mean, that's it's important because, you know, without the fans without the engagement from people like it's a lot harder to do our jobs and provide the value to our sponsors without a lot of TV coverage and and You know, there there is some TV coverage, but it comes out a month or two after the race. And by that time, it's like, you're trying to reach people outside the sport, but then how are you engaging them two months after the race to really have an understanding for what it is that we do? How do you show a quick highlight of that? It's hard. So I think, you know, the YouTube platform, the social media stuff, just trying to bring people into our lives and how we do things and the lifestyle of off road is how we're going to grow this thing. And honestly, people like Darren Nelson the character guys, like like, making it more approachable for outside people to like, throw some wheels and tires on their truck and take him out to the desert. Just that alone. Like that's what we need more of our sport that helps support the companies that are supporting our sport, buying their tires and wheels, buying their shocks buying their lift kits. I do feel bad for some of those daily drivers that don't make it on Monday, though, after the 100% 100% that's part of the story. That's part of why everyone I think loves it though, too. Is is is storage, they get 100% I couldn't agree more. All right. So the UTV stuff, you know, you guys touched on that right before I came in, you know how accessible YouTubers are making the off road racing game and bringing the you know, the off road element, that level of off road element anyways to the average person that can go out and buy a UTV. But again, we don't want to lose like the you know, with territory, we want to absolutely document more of like, hey, but you could go do this with your Toyota Tacoma as well. You can you don't have to have a 30,000 or UTV. You can go do this. Anyway, form of transportation even if you wanted to go down to Mexico and your freaking Honda CRV and get out there. Heck yeah, but I think that that's a good you see them you know, they're out there you when you get out of Mexico and you're out there on the side, my joy, how this person get out here when we sit down and we took a 15 person, enterprise van and ended up buried to the axle. And you know, that was the highlight of the trip was figuring out how we're gonna get this dang enterprise. Bam, back to San Diego. So we get our deposit back. So basically, a lot of fun actually, it does really. So basically what I just heard was I should have got the four wheel drive Sprinter van man, I messed up. Sure. Alright, so I want to ask all three of you the this question, I want Andy to go last year and you go first, if you could do any other form. At the pinnacle level of racing, what would it be? Um, the reason I'm asking that question is because we're off road guys, right? Like if you asked me what vehicle I would like to drive right now, I would say a trophy truck, maybe an all wheel drive Trophy Truck. But if you asked me what other form I would like to try, that's a really hard question, man. And I like asking that question to you guys. Yeah, I think if it wouldn't be ultra for if that one if that was out of the equation as well as being off road. I think my next step would be drift Formula Drift. And that was mine too. Was it really? Yeah, you got to pick something else then? Yeah, I'll think it's normally drift is pretty gnarly. Like that takes a lot of skill. Yeah, formal gifs rad like the the amount of tea like the size of teams that are there now for Formula Drift at least the past couple years, like Vonnegut and JR just stepped away and brought another driver now he's just team owner and overseas you know Chelsea and Adam LZ who's driving for him as well. But the the level of driving that they're doing there is so crazy like we drive blind in the dust and they're driving by in the smoke but they're they're driving they're real close real close to each other close and they're going fast so yeah, for me Formula D was definitely what was one that I was gonna pick well that like rally drivers do they're like 120 miles an hour back around the corner is that like an inch on the curb? Did Yeah, that was that was probably going to be my pick was WRC Yeah, something What's the part that interests you about it like the proceeding the precision and just the commitment level? The note taking the strategy that goes into it, you know, with not wanting to be the first on the road the next day to clear the road and give everyone you know better traction to drive on after you like it's such a mind game outside of just the race car and the driving. It's a lot I think it's a lot like off road. Yeah, it's not just always about putting the pedal down. And being the fastest it's about strategy. It's about mind games. It's about like, where to push where not to push away what your competition doing, where do you feel like you excel better at them better than them in a certain in a certain scenario or in a certain type of in a certain type of terrain? I feel like both of those are such a crucial, like the crucial part about is the CO driver like that is so intense rally. Yeah 100% Because those guys are calling it like literally on time before that. I know it's wild. I watched those guys and you watch the in car footage and it's like, Dude, that's those guys are fully committed. Yeah, exactly. Seth we just had a comment come in. That said Seth needs to have a YouTube channel because he's at the perfect age. Why don't you just make some cameos on Andy's do? Ah, we've we've definitely talked about some stuff on The Hobbit on the YouTube channel, but like, I don't know I don't like for me, I would love to have a YouTube channel just because I I'm still a 19 year old kid that does all like, you know, surf snowboard, and like if I could document that stuff as well, it'd be awesome. Like it's surf snowboard work on cars and ride their bikes and go race and do all this stuff. But it's like it. I wish I had that energy's 19 duties on tick tock, tick tock Janina YouTube. So what did you What do you pick? Then if you're not doing formula drive? Have you guys seen the GT three cup Porsches? Yeah, they're all the same car. So that reminds me the 6100 class where it's more of a driver's class, and I think that'd be a lot of fun. Like I went to the Rolex 24 in Florida, and then erasing those there and 24 hours later, the top three all in the last quarter the same time. Really? Yeah. Yeah, that's intense. Yeah, I would pick it if I raised my hand over here. I'm picking DTM Oh, ETM all day did big Mercedes guy right here. That's why I want to go DTM. Okay, trying to get in those, whatever they call them, the AMG Black Series ones, they're all shaved down. Those things are badass, man. Alright, so let's start talking about off road a little bit more. Darren, so when you started, like figuring out who Andy was, and seeing him out there at such a young age, because you followed him for so long. What was like the the first things that you thought like what did you see in him that wanted to make you, you know, keep following him and being watchful on his program. Again, it just comes through comes down to traveling through the desert at a high rate of speed. And that's all I cared to do. It didn't matter what I would, what kind of vehicle I had to do it in. I was going to do it, which you know, hence my clapped out vehicles that I've destroyed throughout the years trying to do it. You've moved a really nice truck now. Yeah. It's a Ford Ranger. Yeah, it holds the tone but just a Ford Ranger. Yeah. Let's tell everybody. what's your what's your running right now did. It's a Ford Ranger with some fiery graphics on it. The one who lost his shoes to fireballs and goes pretty fast, but still stays rooted. It's like Nike style, I mean, suspension and livery and like, layout and kind of throwback interior and stuff like that. So I kind of wanted to play homage to you know what I grew up idolizing which was like, you know, the, the off road racing and in the early 2000s, which I think was a very golden age of off roading as well, which I was fortunate to grow up in, but that's definitely what I grew up idolizing and what shaped what I wanted to do. But you know, as well, having a strict budget and not having all the money in the world I had to do with IV suspension and a Ford Ranger. So you're probably hyped to see all the action in Nora did those guys were tearing up some of those old cars? Getting crazy? Yeah. Especially with the goalie. Yeah, that was expensive crash. Like I felt like it crashed twice. Yeah, twice, really twice last day to Oh, dude. Luckily, so I think for like 1.8 million. Some crazy dude, I kind of shed a tear. When I saw that on Instagram. I was like, oh, gosh, did you see that? Darren took something out of the year hear exactly. When I was happy. They took it out of the museum and went out and used it. I'm all about that. I mean, I do think that's cool. But then like, I was like, Oh, God, that's bad. But it is cool to see all those vehicles right. And like, Those ones are the ones that get the most play on social media. But there was also tons of dudes out there with other cars. I think the best was pulled them the most media, I suppose. Yeah, the best was was Do you see that? They're in the Best Pose? Yes, I did see the best because I was how do they make the finish line if they timed out? They just kept on going. It just kept going? I'm sure. They must have I mean, at that point, you're already that far down. I was surprised. Just let it ride. Just wait for the last guy to go off the line and just go over there and just take off and just pretend that you're so down. Oh, yeah, that that was so solid. Alright, so Darren, give us your opinion, because we were talking about like side by sides helping grow the industry and stuff like that. So what I've seen in the past, you know, probably I'd say four years, is that having the injection of side by sides at first was a little bit I don't know there was some friction on it right in the off road world. And then as it started to grow, it started to pick up momentum. And now you see let's just say five, eight years later that there's a resurgence in all of the other classes because the side by side guys have given I don't want to say new life because that sounds kind of weird. Like I'm giving too much credit side by sides, but kind of that vibe, right? Like they're getting out and now there's more 10 cars and now there's tons more 6100 trucks and now the you know the TT field is gotten more stacked too. So like what's your guys all of your guys's vibes on all that. I agree, I think that they're a great introduction into off road. You know, I, it's crazy to think that, you know, people can go get a pro are off the showroom floor and have that kind of ability, like there's that side of me. But then there's the other side of me that goes like that's incredible for sport that you know, that's giving the ability I'm all about inclusion. I don't like exclusion now. I'm all for having more people out there having more people involved. It gets a little obnoxious and glamorous on big weekends. But other than that, I think it's really cool that all the TVs are out there and I think it's great. It's a great entry point for people in the off road for sure. You guys agree with that? Yeah, I mean, I think it's I think there's pros and cons to to everything obviously. Like it's bring a lot more people in the sport. That's a that's a blessing and a curse. Yeah, I hate to see it everyone are responsible. Yeah, I hate to see that part about it. I can I could go on for days about the guys that go out there and just like throw themselves off a cliff because they don't know what they're doing or the guys that trash the desert. Those guys, I think it doesn't matter what car you have, or how approachable you make it. Like there's those people are always going to be out there. Yeah. So it's hard to police that. Yeah, it's just it's easily accessible unit razor instead of going out and drive someone else and being you know, you got the same people doing the same thing. So the message is Be smart. Yeah. Yeah, so I agree with that, too. And I really liked the fact that it has injected more money, more sponsors, all this other long longevity type of stuff back into the off road culture, because all of us sitting here right now, that's what we really cared about, right? Like, if you took away the trophy truck class and just wiped it away, and it was never available. Again, we would still all race right. Like we would still I'll find something again. So I think it's really cool that that that that stuff has happened. Do you guys get to see a lot of that stuff in the events that you guys do Darren, like side by side. It's not um, they're welcome. Obviously, always. The dirt bike tracks stuff. We had to hold back on ETV participants just because of insurance. They were the last couple tracks we've dealt with, were really hesitant to open the door to have a new TVs at the track because they didn't want to portray that they can have you TVs at the track for more than just when we're there and then have a bunch people showing up wanting to rip their UTVs on their track and not be able to go out there and drive them so we were only allowed to bring out our own personally TVs if we had them. But um, so but like when we went and did circle pay out and Johnson Valley, there are probably 20 ETS out there ripping around with us. So we're always thankful to have anyone involved with us out there having a good time or whatever it takes. We don't care if it's in Overland Tacoma or you're out there and you're freaking bank financed Pro are like we're always welcoming to anyone. Yeah, that's so cool to hear that though. Like right when he starts talking about that. I'm like, dude, house. I mean, I know this truck takes a lot to work with when you put it in the dirt. But like how sick would that be to take a big truck on a motocross track dude, yeah. 100%. Yeah, I don't know how to write it down how long Elsens idea. But that would be pretty cool. Alright, so a couple other questions that I have is, actually since we're talking about the trucks on the performance of these new trucks. I've always wanted to know what it feels like to drive a trophy truck. And now I want to know the next level of it. Like, what's the difference between what you drove before with a two wheel drive truck compared to what it is now? homeboy? I mean, I know there's only one, but in particular, you're talking to a guy that's never done it. Yeah, like I'm on the lowest level of off road. Like, for me explain that the lowest level you possibly can't a two wheel drive, it takes a lot to keep it going straight. Because only the rear wheels are turning moving around, there's a lot of tire slip. And you're smashing webs in San Felipe at 100 miles an hour. I mean, you're, you're constantly fighting the steering wheel and the truck and the throttle to try and keep the thing pointed straight. And it's a lot lighter, there's about 1500 pounds lighter in the all wheel drive. With the all wheel drive, all four tires are pulling all the time. And so it's a lot easier to keep it in a straight line for the most part almost as much front suspension even with the front seavees and axles as our two wheel drive truck did. And and it's 1500 pounds heavier. So it's just that much more planted to the ground. Now the offset of that is it's a lot more rolling mash to try and stop and get ready for a corner. So we talked a little bit about it before the show like engine braking on a four stroke dirt bike compared to like a two stroke dirt bike, is there any correlation to that between the two wheel drive in the four wheel drive because because the mass is slower to stop like, yeah, because the two wheel drive obviously when you run out of the throttle, it's going to start slowing down a lot more Then something with Skippy though, right up and moving around the tool drivers a little bit more Skippy moved around a little bit more, and there's a lot more playing with the throttle. I was big on playing with the throttle to try and keep the thing pointed straight. But but with suspension and the way in the way the trucks had progressed, I mean, once you get used to it, it's like going fast. And a razor like once you get some seat time in it, you're going to be good no time. That's pretty much what the two wheel drive was like the all wheel drive takes a little bit more getting used to, especially because you're trying to change some tendencies that you learn driving into drivers for so long. So I feel like and maybe I'm wrong, Darren, you might be able to understand a little bit about this is like with the all wheel drive, it comes to what we were talking about with the rally guys or the street guys, like you really have to be precise. Because if you make a mistake at that point, you can't get out of it as easy. Yeah, the it's, it's really hard. It's all situational. Like it depends on on the terrain. And if it's Sandy, if it's hard packed, if there's rocks. The other thing with the all wheel drive because it's so much more heavy, you know, trying to get it turned or or or trying to miss a rock it's not nearly as agile. So with a two wheel drive us kind of whip the wheel and bring that thing back around. With the all wheel drive it takes a lot more thinking and a lot more precision to kind of place the thing where you want in the Ruts Was it hard to get used to it? It actually wasn't that hard. You know, most of it was because I had most of the other guys I was racing against were in two wheel drives. So in a lot of Mexico style roads just just on the on the on the to track stuff where I'm like Sky Ranch and the tighter stuff the all wheel drive is just so much faster. Just didn't have to push it through the corners nearly as hard as you did a two wheel drive. Now that everyone has one, and you pretty much have to have one if you want to win. Now there's almost a second learning curve of driving style. Oh, because now you have to elevate above that. Yeah, now you gotta go faster the corners and carry your speed more and and like I said, it comes down to four seconds to win a race. So you know, all those little bits add up to your confidence. Yeah. And that's actually insane to think about. Like when when you think about like, everybody's like, okay, it's a two wheel drive and a four wheel drive, you're gonna clearly go faster and a four wheel drive. Well now listening to what Andy's saying is like, that level of precision has to be escalated because every single other person came up to that level. That's insane. Yeah, well, I drive a 5800 pound IBM truck was seminar horsepower, so I can't really that's still a lot though. Like, imagine like having having 10 people out there running with million dollar trucks going that kind of speed is isn't saying I mean, it's, I just wish we could see it more. You know, that's the only thing I wish I wish we got, like, some type of way to watch it. Because it's definitely got to be a sight to see now that we have so much more. So much more ability out there. It's so much more. It's elevating the talent, everything else. It's just awesome. Yeah. I mean, I can't but I think that a lot of the fold drive stuff mostly came from like, you know, going down there and prewriting UTVs. I mean, obviously, all drive always has been watered in trophy traps. But do you think UTV isn't played into the trucks? The trophy trucks getting old? dry faster? Maybe? That's a good question. I know. The guys who built this started in Yamaha rhinos, Neil and Robert Mason. They started out racing Yamaha rhinos in like 2007 890 Really? Uh huh. And then they built the Mason Pro Runner, I think those had a class it was like a an like, unlimited seven truck. So they definitely started you know, in the in the UTV game and then built up from there. I think that coupled with I think the ultra force stuff actually. Catalyst because the portal hubs in the front, were used in the ultra force stuff. And I think they probably took some things from from that being not just rock crawlers, but then they brought him into the desert, and now they were going through woods and then even more wheeled travel. So how are you gonna accomplish that? So I think that kind of progressed into that. That's a good point because they all had different like transportations and differential development. Yeah, that's crazy, dude. That's a really good question there. And I think that's actually probably a question that could be answered in a full show for sure. For sure. 100% man, so have you been to watch any of those races? Darren because I was just thinking as you said it I'm like, Alright, now we got to get Derek at optic to have Starlink in his helicopter and just straight up just live streaming the whole thing? No, I think that's the future of our sport is is being able to bring it to the viewers without just a live feed from the start line and the finish line. When I don't race and I watch a live feed from the start line, I'm like, I can go to sleep right now. A finish line it's a little bit better because you're a little bit on the edge of your seat with like, what's going to happen who's going to win even at the 500 that you're the the live feed went out as my cousin and I We're finishing Oh, you couldn't there was a fish was there on fish just for the stopwatch. And he was gonna tie me as I came in it would have been this big thing and you could have played up how close we were but like, the internet connection goes out and and another man it's like we those are the opportunities where it's like you breathe, get people on edge of their seats you gotta deliver. And if you can't deliver it, like, what are we? What are we all doing? That's why you were so interested in all this technical setup that I got going 100% I'm like, How are we? How are we dialing this in? How do we bring this to the masses? Like I think that's, we can't put it on TV because that just takes its own thing with its own investment value. Look, we got a little sneaker in the background there and fix you right there. Let's wait. Who is behind you was telling me that's funny text saying that you need to get out to that car and he's ready to go power for you. A little bit about that. How would that? I don't know it's on the radar for sure. And you know, just the right opportunity has to come up and getting all the rides and all the seats right now. So maybe I can get these T threes taken everything moves out. So I'll come on to the rebel junior team. Myself, and we'll and we'll give Seth the escalation. We'll call it like I have to make a big name. Read Well, big junior team. The senior team Yeah. That would be hilarious. What would be your preferred vehicle? If you went down there to that car? You got to be careful here. What are the cars? T one is I would have called T one T two T three T boards. I'm taking the bid. I'm taking a big trial. I mean, obviously the T one plus is like the it's like the Mason I will drive what Yeah, cuz that's the car with a long travel right? It's like four wheel drive, but you can run the bigger tires. There's multiple places which we're talking about the Hilux. That one looks sick. The one like Nasser drives, there's the Hilux, and there's the be RX the out yeah, those? So which one? The Audi is that? The electric car? Honestly, I wouldn't. You probably wouldn't. I wouldn't complain about either one of those. I'm thinking they all pretty much have a good platform all amazing. I would be that would be so sick to see. Darren, you can just ride with me in the big truck or I will switch out there's three seats. You're gonna need another one. Oh, okay. So we got to find somebody else. You want to take Nelson? The media guy, you can fill us. Yeah, absolutely. We guys started Nelson. And I like throw Nelson on them comfortable things just to perfect. Get going. Yeah, yeah, that works out good. And then I can switch and do some media stuff. And we'll let him co pilot and drive to so it'll work out good. Man. I think we got a well rounded team and one of these big trucks now 100% You guys are ready to go. Yeah, lock it down. And they're only what like a million dollars for each one of those trucks. You know, those things are? Those things are gnarly. We'll trade Andy's Mason for it. Alright, we got to switch subjects here real quick. They're interesting. That's a very interesting comment. Appreciate you throw that. So I want to hear from I want to hear from all you guys. Because I think that there's a lot of maturity and a lot of understanding about the off road industry in this conversation. And for all the youngsters that are listening to the show or watching the show live there. And what kind of advice would you give them if they wanted to get into off road and something similar to the stuff that you guys are doing. And then the both of these guys are doing a little bit different. So I'd like to hear from them too. I'd say get involved with the team and start volunteering with the team. You know, everyone's always looking for an extra hand. Even if it's just like getting, you know, scrubbing frickin rust off trucks at the end of the race, like get involved. I always tell people about fabrication shops too, and they're looking to get experience with fabrication. Get out there and start volunteering at a shop. These guys are always looking to get their trash taken out. It's a good way to get out there and experience it and then figure out what level you want to get into after that if it's you know, if you can find some money to buy a UTV and do it that way. Or if you are going to start building out your, your Ford Ranger with Parks off of race desert classifieds. Like you're gonna figure out your way in by getting out there getting experience within the field. And however that is. I mean, you talked about early days with early days with Mason, I was helping with their first seven truck they ever built like that was my first that was my introduction into racing was going in at four that seven truck they built back in like 2004 2005. And that was when I figured out Well I wanted to be involved with I liked the midsize truck aspect. I like the the lighter weight trucks and stuff like that. So anyways, I think getting out there getting involved being volunteering and whatever you got to do to get your foot in the door. Is your entry level. Don't ever assume you're entitled to anything. Always be there to help always be on the other side of that phone. Right. Take a phone call to come in and help and get out there and get involved. Yeah, I think that's great. And I can't add any more on to that, to be honest. Hey, so but we had a comment come in from Jason Ducey Summit. He said when is Chieko going to be driving the all wheel drive trophy? Did you ask him this weekend? Now? Yeah, when I saw him he was a little fired up. We're getting Then the qualifying, so I got the picture. And I had it out there. But he looked pretty serious in that picture. He was yeah, he was pretty serious. What Who is this 90 year old kid? Kid in my pit box? For sure, but I like what Darren said. And I don't think that you really could add too much on to that. But I think there's a little bit difference in the way that your guys's approaches, right, like, if I asked if I call or direct message with you guys and I say Hey, can I help? There's got to be qualifications because you can't have a weekly in your program either. Right? So how does that actually work? If because I get messages all the time and why it Hastings just chimed in and said he's all ears for these types of things. Like, what's the what's the way that I'm able to help you guys? And that's, that's yeah, that's hard. It's a loaded question. Because, you know, it takes a lot on the on the team to bring someone on, right. It's a big responsibility on our side. And then once you do get started, you know, bringing someone to Mexico that hasn't been there before, maybe. So honestly, I would say like, go to the races with your family. Can I even come clean the shop kind of thing like is that like for sure. I've actually had a couple of kids on Instagram, like, Hey, I where I go to San Marcos high school, I want to come by and clean the shop at three o'clock. I'm like, Okay, that's great. Like, I need to like, like, save that somehow and print it and put it on my board. So I can remember to come back to that. Like there's just always so much stuff going on. But I think I think I think getting involved in the races understanding like understanding what goes into putting to racing, yeah, work your way into it. I mean, you're getting qualifications. Like, I had a one of my really good buddies, he wanted to start working on race teams. And even though like he was in the garage with me all day, it's a different scenario with me because I'm younger, and kids can come and hang out. And I have no problem hanging on people making new friends working on cars, whatever it is, but I sent him to actually work my uncle who owns his own fab shop. And so he went and worked my uncle for a while learning because my uncle is full of knowledge. And he was at the point where he needed a helper and kids could sit back and kind of watch and learn. And at that point, he has credentials, you know, I mean, to say he worked and he didn't work there for too long, I'd be another job. But say he worked in it for a year, two years. And then he came to me, he's like, Hey, I've been prepping razors for for one, two years. And I can help you now. So you don't have to completely jump into off road racing at right at the start, I would say you can get your foot in the door to technically off road racing by going into shops that aren't race shops. Not even on the racing side of things. But you might find out that you might not even I mean, not a lot of people out there, but you might not even like the driving aspect of it or you don't have the backing to be able to get involved as a driver. But getting a part getting involved in being a part of a team. Right? And just helping out maybe you love the mechanics of the UTV or the trucks or or the the motorcycle or whatever. Maybe a guy or whatever it is. Yeah. 100% I agree to so. And I like I always think about this when I when people ask this question to us, you could go work at a dirt bike dealership, you can sell side by sides and you can work your way into it and then go to the races don't you know you don't have to be part of the team right when you go just go to the races hang out, introduce yourself and show up a few times and get comfortable relationships face to the name. Yep, right place at the right times making relationships and I think that has a lot to do with you guys are open and you guys are willing to share suggestions just like Darren did. I think that has a lot to do with the growth of the sport as well for sure. So I'm happy that you guys say that because it makes me feel like when I'm there it's an open community. 100% offer really isn't a community like it. Well, like I was saying I was at f1 And that's a very tight community and a hard niche to get into. Like an off road kid kid definitely never like me, right? I mean, obviously I would love to go race f1 But I don't see there's any shot of me unless I was racing go karts. You know, five, six years ago, getting into that one wears off road. I mean, you got guys who are four years old are just getting into this. And it's like, yeah, offense, just thinking that's why the sport has gotten so big. And I think it's why it's gonna never stop growing is just because people you know, like all of us would love to, you know, talk to somebody who's just getting the racing give them any help. We can such a wide open family. Yeah, it's more approachable. Exactly. All right, Darren, so we're gonna start winding down with you here and just letting you go. Let's see here. Where did you get your logo for the pit bike race for textbooks? Who's he has his he asked me that? I don't know. I didn't get a logo. I just have a KMC logo because they help sponsor the show, man. So Darren, it sounds like you guys got a lot of commotion going on back there. They're trying to get you over there to have deadlines coming in hot. Hey, we really appreciate you coming on hanging out now I appreciate you guys. yesterday. Yeah, sweet man. We really appreciate it. So all right, Darren, we'll talk to you soon buddy. All right. Super cool to see because he comes from a little different perspective than we do. You know, like with racing and all that stuff. And I love to see that off road really has that. That you know where But everybody really likes to see out I mean, like, it's a it's a big community of people that love the desert and love off roading and, and we all do it on different levels and different platforms. But at the end of the day, you know, we're all we're all one big family. We're all interconnected. We like living our dirt life. Yeah. 100% There you go. 100% way too much. I think I've said it like you need fire too. I haven't heard him say fire. I said fire one if you watched his release notes you told me to say fire. He did not know he told me to say spicy. Spicy was waste and I was like, Dude, no one says I liked I never say I like crispy too crispy. Like that. Okay, I just see spicy you and um, you saw a comment about UTB takeover. I'm not too sure what it was a lot of people talking about Caden McCarron just joined us there's a lot of people talking about textbooks and Mid America too. Alright, so the conversation getting kind of twisted. We're gonna take a quick commercial break real quick. And then we're gonna come back and I have I don't know, man we got we still got a little bit questions for these guys. One of them is a question where did the nickname Bebo come from? So we're gonna actually answer that in just a second. We're gonna go to quick commercial break. We'll be right back. Hello, I'm Justin, the founder of shock therapy. shock therapy has been around for five years, but we have personally been tuning suspension on off road cars and race vehicles for over 25 years. 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All right, man, we are back to Episode 128 of the dirt life show at nd Macmillan racing is what we're calling it at the shop. So thank you very much for having us through. Really appreciate it. You guys have been filled with canes. Yeah, I powered down my chicken pretty quick. I pretended like I wasn't eating anything, but I took over this fries. Nice, dude. Alright, so we're talking about, we're gonna actually talk about quite a bit more questions, but we're gonna get Ryan Edwards from KMC wheels on here, you guys down and talk with him? It's gonna be a handful, but I'm done. Bring him out. He's probably gonna have all kinds of questions about f1 To my family like all kinds of us do. My mom's saying that he's never been more jealous of somebody in his life. There was there was definitely a person that was more jealous than than him and that was Mila did Mila was freaking out. He was so stoked that you were there. Ryan Edwards can see what what up guys. How are you doing? Look, you look like a bronze God right now. Like to hear? Oh, we're just glad that he didn't wear his blown out vans did he wore the new guys guys. They're my daily drivers. Like why don't have to wear some fancy shoes to go ride one tans and work on race cars. All right. You read one dense I write every day. Big one time guy. Hey, Ryan. So let's just go ask the simple question. When did you start following or did you meet Andy? Well, I've started I've followed Andy since I was like, what? Oh 8090 Wow. And back in the heyday, good use and then working at camps. I get to work with him. It's pretty cool how it comes full circle right? Touch my my hand you're on my chair. And things are getting weird right here your audio, your audio keeps cutting down just a little bit. So. Alright, so a couple of things that we're talking about is being like at the premier level of racing like because obviously that just got back from Formula One. And then Andy is at the top level and the off road world. It's pretty cool to see. But we've also been talking about the entry level stuff with side by sides and stuff like that. And you've known Andy since what like 2008? Basically what you're saying you've seen a lot of growth in the industry because of all the same stuff, too. Yeah, I think it's pretty rad that, you know, back in, oh, 809. It was like, everybody wanted to be a trophy truck racer, but that's not possible for 98% of the people out there. So once the side by side started coming out, like guys like Seth, and you know, James, and all of us started gravitating towards those because it was cheaper and easier to get involved with. Yeah, it felt like we were driving trophy trucks. And we still have dudes that look up to like this guy right here, right? Yeah. So me up and I was really, really cute. So I didn't want to the trophy truck, guys, I feel left out because you TVs are blowing up so big. I mean, gosh, we're kind of being left in the dust to be honest, guys. So one thing that I wanted to know, Ryan is, I don't know how much you've hung out with Andy. But I want to know what a day in the life of Andy McMillan is like, what are you doing? I mean, are you like, oh, here, just need a day in the life? Like, let's see. Well, I got two kids at home. Yeah, daughter, Harper said most of the day right there. 100%. Might not. I mean, you're right. I can't say 100% anymore. My son is my son just turned four before the San Felipe race. So that that keeps my wife extremely busy and keeps me busy when I get home. But no, I come to the shop every day. Checking in on the guys prepping the truck making plans for the next race, working on stuff with Nelson trying to bring value to the sponsors and all of our partners. And just trying to figure out honestly, just how to grow this thing and how to how to make my team better how to make the truck faster. You know how to I'm gonna tell you right now, hands down. Bringing Nelson on board was crucial. Yeah. He's lacking lacking for a while. So I did awesome job. My social sucks. I was even tripping to Andy for a little while, like about a year ago to start pumping the socials. Well, it's supposed to be you for a while being here. So girls. Like? Yeah, so but yeah. So yeah, I'm here all day. I go home, have dinner with the kids to bed. I get a FaceTime. You forgot usually FaceTime me, give me a clickable phone call. Oh, wait, let's talk about this FaceTime that you gave him in Miami? Just like flexing right in front of him? No, no, I called him and invited him to the race like in the pit area, crawled through the phone and killed Seth. You know, I was in the pit area with the cars. And I'm like, wait, we got an extra ticket. I'm gonna call Andy called Andy. Guess what he was playing golf and didn't decide to come to f1 racing, he want to stay and play golf coming at a bad time to pick up and go to Miami. He was playing golf. So he could have just left golf. Obviously, he was free for that day. I didn't have my priorities. For sure. Yeah, there's one thing called Kids. Family life, those so like inside what you're talking about with a day in the life like, there's a lot of detail points in there that I just barely got to half an hour an hour of a glimpse like, So Ryan, when when you're operating a full tilt premiere race program. There's so many little details that go into this thing, like I had the opportunity to see a little bit of stuff, and we're probably going to do a shop tour. If you have us back. It'd be kind of cool to check out. But they were for a good hour, hour and a half just looking at data on certain things that I wouldn't even think are important. And that's the level of professionalism and expertise that goes into these top level programs. So he's being modest when he says A Day in the Life as I do these three things, because there's so many things that happen in the middle. Yeah, I can imagine. I mean, the cool part was Andy is, you know, a text or a phone call, he reaches out and ask those questions, which, you know, some people don't do a lot of so it's cool to be involved at that level, and be able to be like, hey, you need this torque or whatever this air pressure for the beat seats or whatever. Like, having someone that involved really shows like where the program goes, that's actually a good point to bring up because you're giving feedback back to them too. Right. Right. Right. I mean, because it's all I mean, it's all it's all product development, and what we do race cars and what we learn, go straight to know the street stuff and just just trying to make everything better, honestly, and and he's running stuff that people probably won't see for the next two or three years. But yeah, we're testing it. You know what I mean? And Seth doesn't get that kind of stuff, but Oh, UTV guy. Let me let me pull the wristbands back out we want to start that is super funny. But that does actually bring up a good point, though is that the development because we were talking about the development of the two wheel drive, the all wheel drive and the close proximity of finishes and all of these different things that have elevated the sport but all of that is because of all of these people in the industry working together for race programs like yours, do you that's such a good team effort. 100. Not 100% 110 You're very accurate with exactly George Exactly. It's a lot to say though, like 100% is like so short and to the point you can say for sure, exactly. But before I forget I wanted to so we when Darren was on we were talking about going from the tool to the funnel drive. And I'm just real quick because it's been on my mind because I fortunately was lucky enough to drive his tool drive when he was doing a test day. Oh, this was a while yes. Yeah, no, no, I feel like he's big trophy. Let me just let me just put a minute. Yeah, we can talk about that question too. Oh, yeah. But I was gonna say going from a razor and hopping around in the woods because you're never stable like even though you have full drive. You're never stay one razor short. Going to a tool drive made it feel easier for me to drive because I already knew how to how to bounce around and keep the wheel straight. Keep the car straight and play with the gas because you will drive truck. Yes. Yes. From from the trailer to the tool drive truck. Yeah, because? Well, because momentum to Yeah, right stability in the razor, you're, you're you're still moving around a lot. Yeah, you're hopping in the two wheel drive, you're moving around, but not quite as much. And the art to driving anything off road is anticipation. So like when I when I first started playing basketball, there was a there was a kid on my team, his mom was in the stands every game, she would always yell, anticipate, anticipate anticipates. And to this day, you because what you're doing is you're trying to react and you're trying to you're trying to get one step ahead of what your competition is doing. So it's the same thing in off road, you're constantly anticipating, what's the vehicle going to do when I hit this bump like this? If I tap the brake coming into this corner, and there's a bump there? What's that going to do? Yeah, come out of the corner and lay on the throttle too hot in this dirt versus that other dirt? What's that going to do? How's the truck gonna react? That's what that's that's 100%. Good. So to understand that, but like, but seriously though, like who because I was always taught in dirt bikes to look forward and make sure you can breathe, right? Because then you can see what you're going to do next, like and so that anticipation thing is always being one step ahead of the game. Like there it couldn't be any better than that in a UTV you almost have to be on top of it. Because you can't think that far ahead. Like is it doesn't have enough stability to do that. And I think that's why moto kids are really good drivers. It's because they already had that instinct to look far ahead. Anticipate so far. Yeah, like Ryan? Yeah. Ryan's big, big motor guy sis written with me, you know, just in Glamis. No cocktails were involved. Yeah, you're you're agreeing to ride motorcycles. No, no, I was COBOL written in the razor. Yeah, that's cool. I can do that. We also had we also had Brandon seminar and other Ryan and we were both scared for our lives in the back of that thing I can only do it I said you guys want the keys are like no we would love to ride I like to go for a nice leisurely cruise back now he was sending it the whole way back in the back of a stock of 64 inch Pro XP. Nothing crazy. Oh, yeah, you sent him in full pepper the whole time. Ryan squared was up front and then me and semnac were in the back that's so crazy. It's not your best day All right, so a couple of the other questions were Oh dude, this is actually a good one because I still want to know where the where your nickname came from. But Ryan's a big taco guy Sasa big taco guy. And I would like to claim that I'm the biggest taco guy but I say so. But I want to know where the best taco shop is in Baja with your experience. I don't have a lot of experience. I was lucky enough to go pre running with Andy and that's about so that was just down in San Felipe alto. I'll tell you what mine is Ryan was it gonna be called tacos el poblado the Erica sacks took us to down like day one. It was down by labu fedora. You can't be a valley T taco. Those are so good. at Taco Bell at tacos there's a there's a thing that's just because you've been pre running and you're so for sure they just a mill and nowhere you just walk it still there's something about can just walk down the Goat Trail rider and I am a big food guy couldn't tell by my build here. The The seasoning and the flavor of the carne asada is what sets the tacos apart for me. Yeah, it has to be a good flavor well salted piece of meat. I think a large part for me is the tortilla as well tortilla comes into close second the freshness of the tortilla but the carne asada and valley to how well they season it. It puts it on on a different playing field. However, a very close second or tied for first is is eltra lero. And in sonata Oh, yeah, that's just I think it's good. I really honestly didn't know that. I was interviewing Bobby Flay today Instagram channel, dude, just straight up schooled me on the tacos. All right, so I can't wait to go down to the 500 All right, Ryan, did you know that? He's got a nickname Bebo? Yes. I knew that. I never knew where it came from. I yeah, I want to know, it's it's not the most riveting story ever told. I saw the way my dad tells it. And actually, I just watched the intro to this movie thing that mad media guys Martelly brothers came out with because they were doing all my YouTube stuff and some filming for me back in 2006 when I raised the Robby Gordon. And we're watching the intro to this movie. And my dad goes into tell the story. So I guess my I was my sister's two years older than me. She was practicing words that start with a letter B. And then she turned to me and said Bebo, and then my mom started calling it and my grandparents and my dad hated it. Like he couldn't stand the word Bebo. People were calling me Bebo. He's like, That's a stupidest thing ever. I don't know why people are calling him that. And then literally until I was probably 18 or 19 years old, every single person I was introduced to always refer to me and call me Bebo. Really, it just kind of I've never heard your dad. So it just stuck. Yeah, I guess I don't notice that to this day. He still goes up. But yeah, because like even like I hired some new guys at the shop, and we're in like a team meeting and he would refer to me as Bebo, or like, your dad kept, like saying Bebo and then talking to you. What the hell? Double Take? Like, it's just this weird Nick. Like, who is this guy? Yeah, yeah, I don't have I was a fat kid when I was younger, so my nickname was mush and Porky. Yeah, but your nicknames your nickname? Shido. Now, I was moosh and Porky. My mom just commented and said, she says should I tell everyone yours? Yeah, I was gonna wait for her to chime in on that. It was hilarious. Oh, she and Porky was my wish. Did you like better? Did you ever prep work? He was way better. Or he was 100% better or he I think 100% I was in love with baking I still am to this day can't be yeah can you be I think that also baby pics to prove this know when my mom posted your face but super fat because you're so not skinny till he was like 14. Really? I just picture like these I just picture like a circle with eyeballs. You guys just wait. You're talking up how fat you are like you guys wait until Valentine's Day when you see me like nice little Cupid thing when I was like two years old. No, my mom loves the show everybody so Oh, she's got that on you. That's hilarious. Hey, Ryan, did you know that Andy is a big dirt bike guy now just gotta build. Let's talk about a guy I yeah, I had a really strong, big, big macho guy. My buddies are dual sporting. And they're texting me pictures and like we're barbecuing on Sunday. And I'm like, that looks so that looks so fun. I yeah, I want to do that. They're like, dude, buy a bike. Get a license plate. Let's go right and I'm like, the king of dualsport just joined No, no, it is there she is. I think I need that is context photo. Oh, that is hilarious. Yeah, I'm gonna put that as your default. No, dude. Chunky. You're gonna You're like one year old cable. I lasted a while. That is hilarious. He's just sending out now. Oh, thank you very much. Amy. This is a beautiful Valentine's Day picture. So any you lady that is very sensitive. He can get it done That's awesome, man. All right, so the Bebo thing it just kind of came naturally. That's a good thing though. Because I hate when people nickname themselves like that's the worst. Yeah. You can't do that. super weird. All right. So let's get back to talking about this dirt bike stuff like Ryan you know me like I keep going off and on like, every time I see you guys go do a sport and I'm like, Hey, I gotta get a bike and then I'm out of town and then I forget about it. And then so it got me Jones up again when I heard him talking about today. I'm ready my bikes ready prepped when I get home we're riding What do you have Ryan? Honda forfeit DL. Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah, I just ordered a new bike. Well, let me guess. KTM Yes, sir. Which one did you get? The factory is Red Bull guy over here. Yeah. Yeah. Are you gonna be trail riding it though? No, I'll be doing everything. I mean, I'll hit the street to the you guys I just kind of zip tie a plane on there. Oh, look, he's gonna be hanging out with me. Just straight up. 12 o'clock. Biker boys. Ryder sick. Honestly moto for me at least and I think you're gonna realize it too. Is it takes it like brings fun back into you. Like, let's admit you just please be careful. No, I went riding not on my bike on a buddy's bike two weekends ago McCain Valley all the single track stuff up above aka to up on the hill. And it was like just the sense of adventure and just how much like it humbled me and was like a dirt biking and holding on to that thing is no joke. It's all on you to like in the truck. Like yeah, it is you but there's still a lot of other stuff going on here like on the bike. Your machine describable happiness. It was it was really fun. And the comments are just flowing in and people shouting out their bikes. As they should be pretty stoked. I know. For now, but I can't wait. You're old enough once you get that past 30 over the hump then that goes for it. Yeah, so I'm thinking I have a couple more years than me. Yeah, that was me just shut you down. No writing. No, no, no, no when a race comes I'm gonna put a lock on so we'll I have a rule for myself where I won't ride like two to three weeks before race. Yeah, that is so I shouldn't ride Okay, all right, a dual sport like if you're going through the streets. Oh, big flex again. I'm in no hurry. You'll crash on the door squirt? Yeah, I went riding in Big Bear hit some black ice. Oh, I was black and blue for like 500 a dude. Really? Yeah. Three 500 Dude, like going through the rocks and stuff like if you get in some gnarly rocky section it will fuck you up like you know I'm a big like smooth you know, on a single track some hills here and they're like, like I struggle enough just trying to get up the difficult Hills without putting a foot down without falling off picking the right line. I impressed myself a little bit this last night last weekend. I hold really good mentor. Thank you, George. But no, I like I know my limits. I'm not going to go out there and do anything like crazy stupid. I don't like really wide open desert riding. Yeah, like full tilt, like just killing it. Like as I was saying before you guys brought up my cute picture. The king of dual sports had just joined when you said that? Who's that James Hill? Yeah, he's got some sweet trails and stuff to man on dualsport he's got some pretty good trails right there and Elsinore. I just I just learned that there's a bunch of stuff behind my house too. So we can go in Elsinore and then go on next weekend over there. But when I was driving I was driving by by his mailman. Someone else just told me about that place. Really out there. It's Easter Temecula? Yeah, that's where the mountain Yeah, I still don't know where it is. So like, don't get don't get away. West of Temecula. That's right. Yeah, it's by Ortega go over there. Alright, so like all of this stuff is making me really want to get another girl bike dude. And so when you talk about a day in the life of Andy McMillan, like, you now have an amazing family. And you got to be pretty stoked on that. Like, the camaraderie and off road industry is like, at a level that's unattainable in most Motorsports and stuff. You bring the family to the races. Yeah. Like all of that stuff has to be so meaningful for you. Like, do you remember the time when you like, let's just say brought home a victory with the family like those kinds of emotional events that happened? Oh, man, George. I mean, I'm just talking about like that it's deep, but I haven't won, or I haven't won a race that both my daughter and son have been to. And my son's only four. I remember winning the 2017 Baja 500 My daughter came it was the first race she ever came to. And I have videos from that race I put up on my social media page. She's like cheering me on. Like my there's a section in Valley Trinidad where the highway runs here and we're in this like the sandwashed off to the side headed back towards Valley tea. Yep. And, and my wife has an on video and my daughter's screaming like Go Daddy Yeah, daddy and she showed it to me after the race and we ended up winning. And it was it just put it in perspective. Like this is what it's about. That's what makes it so fun. Like the family aspect of it. And and honest The being a dad is is such a rewarding thing. But it's honestly one of the hardest things I've ever had to do. Like, trying to be a disciplinarian trying to be a friend trying to teach them like life lessons, trying to turn them into a good person. It's dude, it's hard. It's what we were just talking about. And I don't have children, but let me at least say the statement that we're just talking about looking forward on the racetrack. Right. Yeah. I feel like this is a staple in your life that makes you look even further forward. Yeah. Like at life in general. Right, like and I'm not getting George Wow. So like a philosopher. That was really some Dr. Phil Show. That's what I was gonna say I have a kid I need to practice by racing. We're saying exactly. So this is the render bike at age. This is where exactly where I was gonna go with it, though is like how it it actually shows you different things like you grow up, you're 14 years old, and you're racing in the class one car and then you all you learn all of these things. And then when you transition, transition, when you have a family and you're seeing all of this stuff happen. I feel like you've learned a lot from your dirt life. Yeah, be able to have all that stuff happen. Right? I have a look at that. That was the I think the biggest thing that I've learned honestly, is is what a good dad My dad was okay. My dad is just the lessons he taught me through. And through sports and not being overly pushy and letting me make me make good decisions. Let me make bad decisions and learning from those mistakes and, and, and putting me in a car at a young age like he just had trust in me he had confidence in me he let me make mistakes. And that's what I'm nervous about with myself because I'm like, I only hope I can be as good as the dad for my son as my dad was for me back to the progression is because the reason why all I mean, I don't know obviously for you, we probably would have been the same but the reason why I wanted to progress so bad. So it was to make my dad proud. Yeah. And so that also instill the love of progression in me even though say he wasn't into the racing thing I still would have loved to try to progress but that just made it so much better when I would come back and then he would be had a smile on his face even though he was missing he would still and I think it got to a point that I started loving it and becoming more way more obsessed with it than my dad ever was. Like it just became this thing inside of me that spire that was just burning that like I just had. I just had to try and conquer it. And I think that's the connection with anybody that's listening or watching the show is because like you just pulled the thoughts right out of my brain. See exactly what I mean. Like Ryan feels that I guarantee almost 100% of all the people that are watching I have that same feeling right like because I do have that same exact feeling. Alright, let's change the subject a little bit here. What are some of the things that you enjoy doing outside of racing other than being a new Moto guy? Moto guy still haven't gone out on my own dirt bike yet but but one day saying that is coming? What do I like doing? I like oh big golf tournament golf that much like the last time I golf before last Friday was September the last time before that was June like I'm rarely on the golf course. Because it takes time away from my family Oh, on a Saturday or Sunday getting off those four or five hours to go play around and honestly I'd rather go moto now then go and do that. I love going to the river I grew up going to my river cabin out in Martinez lake out in just north Yuma love going on the boat with the kids and going down to the sandbars and just kind of letting loose and we have a house out there and we bring all of our own food and just being around family and friends and enjoy and stuff like that. Honestly just just kind of being a dad just my son's playing T ball going to the beach with the kids in the summertime. sets you said that you're a big workout guy are you into fitness? I just I did not I'm not I'm off and on I'm hot and cold. Honestly I have a trainer that I see a couple days a week and then I was going to like Orangetheory fitness a couple days a week but now I'm kind of packing them back on because I haven't been going as much so I kind of got to get back in my routine. It's hard to the days the older you get the days get shorter and shorter it's crazier enjoy those long days when you're in this guy's age or some other kids out there because it takes a lot of time they do they just keep getting shorter and shorter. But the enjoyment factor is still up with Dad life so that's cool. I don't think this world needs another mini me running around on anyone what's your name Porky motion, Porky is such a good name dude. I'm feeling Chino though let's keep it that way. Oh, we asked this question actually last week after this overstate What's your go to snack in the truck. Like when you're racing. Oh in the truck. Yeah, like when you're going. Okay, let me thank Oh, there's because we had a bunch of beef jerky. We had granola bar Do I forget this brand? I think it's I think it's is it like beef jerky or block BLK the I think it's made by the same brand that does bars I forget the name of it but they make little like little chewy things little like square block, like a yummy bear kind of thing like a gummy bear but like it's like a square. And it's got like it's got carbs in it. It's got a good amount of sugar in it. I've seen it. Oh god, I do the caffeinated one. Yep. Sounds like some roadbike guy would eat. I used to do a lot of road biking. So I would do those. I would do the gels. Do it big. But do when you're halfway through the ball. 500 And you get to the coast and you pop in a couple of like caffeinated, like strawberry flavored gel things in your mouth. It is it's mind blowing. It's so good. I look forward to that. Probably more than anything during the race. We're changing the whole show. George waiting for me with some pizza the last 500 Yeah, that's my co pilot gives me like sugar and kale wasn't good. Yeah, I could see. We didn't really have anything else. So hills, no, no. Compressed sugar, and it just dissolves in your mouth. It's like caffeine. That's nice. It just depends on what's like I'm at heart. So I really like chewing on stuff and tasting things and eating. And so Edwards knows already like we could literally just stop talking about dirt and get into the road bike life right now, dude, like if you want a big road bike guy. Over here, I used to be really into it. And then on my normal route, there's some something on my news feed or someone told me about a couple guys got hit and killed and I'm like, Whoa, boy, that's the thing that's weird about Southern California is there's not a good road but roads to Redmond. There's not a lot of like, out there. Yeah, yeah. And the way how distracted people are. I'm a semi distracted driver as it is. But I can only imagine the people that aren't as good at driving and they're distracted. Dude, I live by the wineries. They're busy. I'll tilt and I'm scared as fuck when I'm driving. Coming out of the winery, yeah, you gotta have a camera in the back of your head want to get a mountain bike because I want a bike life. ebike emailed e bikes, not mountain bikes. These are gnarly, but because I want to go crazy downhill and set records. It's just all for like the reading terrain, the exercise side of it. So it's just so much fun. Motorcycles that just went to Vail Lake and I took my ebike my email and bike and Vail Lake and I did the whole loop and I just left it in the lowest one. It was a killer workout for like probably, at least like heart rate, maybe 190 for probably 45 minutes. 60 minutes. It was insane. Good. And I didn't I was cool about those bikes. Is that a they're heavy? Right? And then if you turn them down, you can you can tune it to whatever setting you want. If you're if you're gassed out at the end of your ride, just turn up the turn of the boost. Dude, it was awesome. Get back home or if you want more of a grinder just turn it down. Those things are great invention. I can't leave it don't have one. Yeah, we're gonna start having to go bicycle ride just as much as the dirt bike you got. I know. That's the problem. I'm looking for a US like 2018 for like 2500 bucks. How much are those whities? Oh, there's a specialized ones were like 12 grand, right? That's intense one I got was like pretty good way. And it was 5500 bucks. It was good. Yeah. It was pretty dialed. Yeah. It depends on what brand you go to. All right. Hey, so do you have any questions for Andy right now? Ryan? Or Seth? How's your show? Oh, your co host. Oh, okay. Oh, I'm just pretty pumped to be talking to you guys. Yeah, I mean, barely ever text me anymore. So big time, do this. widen this thing out? Because it's fairly fit on time. And you guys come back out. wristbands are coming right here sitting around? Yeah, just gonna hold it. I am too. And we were talking about a little bit about the I don't know how you want to call it like the crossover between all the markets, right? Like, so you f1 And Seth gets to go over there. He's the off road guy. You know what I mean, and Red Bull and all of these different companies, even wheel pros and Cam see like you guys are able to integrate all of these different things and get athletes together, just like seminars and all these things that you guys have done. Like, some of that is so meaningful to all of the different industries like as much as f1 is the top dogs, they still have to respect the people that are coming over there. You know what I mean? Like, it's so freakin cool that this stuff has happened. I really think it's, it's cool that off road has reached this level to where people are stoked to, like, come in and do it from other, you know, racing disciplines and stuff like that, like, you know, 1015 years ago, maybe once in a while to happen, but I feel like every race, there's some big name guy wanting to get involved. Want to come out and race. Yeah, right in the car was that, you know, it's getting cool. Like I'm stoked to be a part of it. I was lucky enough to where we'll pro sent me out to Florida. And then just me going to Florida to watch the Rolex 24 I fell in love with you know, that Porsche Cup that I was talking about. And then I I because BFG actually sponsors the MX five cup. And so I got to you know, go in no dimensionalize does Yeah. And then with, you know, we'll Rosen Rotiform and obviously sister companies, whatever it is, but I got to hang out with like the Ferrari team and I got invited for a test day with the Ferrari guys. So it's like just even getting to these events and yeah loose linking everything together in the right position or that all falls into place. Do you see any of those guys expressed interest coming back like to the off road world like they want to come to events and stuff like that, or not? Everybody that I've ever talked to, which is crazy to say like, I was even talking to a lot of the skaters and Red Bull guy, or, you know, all the Red Bull athletes that are all skaters servers, skiers, snowboarders, whatever it is, and they all think that off road racing is the gnarliest thing in the world. But yeah, there's no no social behind it. Yeah, cuz we think the same thing about them. Like yeah, I guess that's right. Yeah. Like Adrian or Alana just said, thanks. He just ordered some of those blocks. Yeah, yeah, highly recommend. Good. Call the plug. All right. So we're gonna have to get this question answered. Because we've got about 69 comments come through asking when Seth is gonna get in the teeth, the truck? No, no, no. We're not going to talk about it because I get my hopes up, and I get upset when it doesn't happen. All the flexes are coming from like, just trying to prove to you constantly flexing, when he comes around. He wants it to just happen naturally. He doesn't want to force it. He's a he's a perma flexor. I feel like this is like, this is where our sport is at. Right? You have you have this great feeder platform and program with all the UTV brands. How do you get a kid at the top of the sport like Seth or like a Mitch, rebel backing KMC wheels, BF Goodrich. How do you get those guys moving up in the sport? Because to go and race up Polaris, Seth brings his dad's truck or his truck as his chase truck. His dad and a couple other guys are his pit crew. And he goes in races the US because it's it's it's approachable. It's lap races, you can you can pit everything. How do you go from that to like, what's the next level? Like, class 10 is pretty much we, we have this conversation once a week at the minimum. So like Seth needs seat time, right? How do you how do you get him a ton of seat time because that costs money. So then I'm at a budget cap with my program. But I needed to bring in more to get have Seth get some seat time, which he came out and tested my old two wheel drive truck. But even that to put the truck on the ground is still very expensive, right? And just$1 per mile ratio on these things with the horsepower and the drive train components and the prep needed it's it's hard. So it's like that's that's what our industry and what our sport is. That's our Mount Everest is like how do we get these kids? I think the more these outside sponsors start getting into it like says personal sponsors that you know, coincided with some stuff you guys got going on? Like that's where we're going to see it grow. Yeah, conventional, what will it grow? Eventually sponsors aren't going to go over budget because you know, they know where they need to be at. But there's these outside sponsors that are going to be all about it, you know, from CBD companies to whatever like yeah, it's the non. And I don't see the opportunity. I don't think the opportunity is going straight into an all wheel drive Trophy Truck. I think it's like, okay, Seth has sponsor XYZ that's an anon Demmick. Okay, well, now Andy has a great program. Now he can mentor Seth and a 6100, that's going to be a lot less. And you can share resources, utilize them in the same race or whatever it is, and then go start building blocks. Yeah, that's what that's honestly what I'm trying to do. That's why I've surrounded myself with a guy like Seth is like, where am I going to be at in 10 years? What's my program going to be doing? What am I going to be doing with my assets that I have here? Since you become the Joe Gibbs How do I help give back to the sport that I've loved so much, and I've become sub soccer has been so important to me. And I think it's it's the team owner role, if you will, of looking at the next generation helping those kids build up their program and give them a platform to really show their skills and, and to make this into something because off road forever has been unless you come from a wealthy family, which I'm fortunate enough to be involved with and have a grandfather who took huge risks to make our family what it is today and give us these opportunities is, is how does how does someone that doesn't have that same financial backing, work their way up and stay in off road? Yeah, instead of you know, Casey, Mears and they go pavement. Yeah, just like Ryan said, it's gonna keep building and like, I think, like, for our sport to grow more and more people need to have this conversation. Because even at my point, I'm only 19 years old, but I talked about bringing kids in and running a UTV for another kid and trying to get a team going. But anyway, I have these kids Most business on how to progress you lived it. You lived it from the beginning like scraping it by so you know, like, what kids are going through trying to race your TVs right now you know what I mean? So same with Andrew like he started as in worked his way into it, so why not get back? Like, it's gonna put us out of a job that if we can't get guys in here Yeah. Why Hastings also did a little bit of an insult and compliment at the same time he said, You older dudes to help out a lot. But yeah, he's right, though, like, because if we didn't have people like like Andy or Ryan, or any of the old, older guys, giving back like there would be no progress whatsoever. And so I see that same mentality and you progressing forward and wanting to move your program and goals and all this stuff. Now you don't just have a milestone that you have to reach this year. Now you got a 10 year goal, right? Like that's so freakin cool man. Like, dude, I mean, it just took me having to, I went through a little bit of a hard time, like in the pandemic, like some mental stuff going on myself. And I got some help. And it helped me get through it. And then it offered a lot of clarity like, like, where am I going? And what am I doing? And how am I going to get there, like it really like reset myself and my priorities. And, and I was like, man, it would be awesome to do this. And to give back to the sport and build it up and be part of the future and the success of it and the growth of it than just saying well, because it drove me nuts. I worked on my dad's company from like, 2012 through 2015 or 16. And, and everyone's response to everything I challenge was always was well, that's just the way we've always done it. I hate the way it's always been done. And I would challenge it daily. I'm like button, but it doesn't stay like that. Right? You can change it you guys can can you can be the the tool needed to help initiate change. And so what is that? And so I've I've caught a lot of trophy trout guys, like, you know, how are we going to get back? How are we going to grow the sport? How are we going to make it? How are we going to move to the next level? This is this is the coolest sport that nobody knows about. Yeah. Yeah. How do we make it? How do we make it what it really should be? And I know, there's pluses and minuses with you know, oh, you grow and the Nemours eyeballs on it. And then more you know, environmentalists well that's, that's around anyways. Yeah. So how do we work around that and I can't be an excuse to not growing this into something that that it should really become? Dude, I love that you said that. That's like literally why the dirt life exists is to share these stories and talk about these topics and like, to me like we're such a small program, but it's feel I feel like all of these things need to be said, and I'm so glad that we're able to talk about it. I think that these these types of shows could be full on shows by themselves. But alright, let's uh, let's go back then. Like what are the things that you have on your mind for some of those immediate goals like in the 2022 and 2023? Well, need to get back in the winner's circle. It's been fired up, spin. This is the longest I've gone and we both been on a pretty bad Oh, my racing without a win. What was it 2019 20 2019 500. I mean, I went back to back 2019 500 or 2018. In San Felipe 2018 500. We won the championship that year, I only did three races in 2020, with the pandemic for races in 2021. And, and that's why I just went all in with my truck. And with the program, my new shop, I'm like, Okay, we're gonna go after this, we're gonna start winning races again, like we need to invest in our team, we need to invest in our equipment, and get us back on top of the box. What are some of the things that you look at from a personal perspective to be able to execute on those things? Because it sounds like you're really putting a lot of mental strength into this, like you're focusing you're managing a team, honestly, I'm trying to just get the right guys in the right seats here. Just surrounding myself with the right people from my truck. Go ahead, Ryan. Say it again. I was just gonna say you're moving in the right direction. Very quickly to Yeah, just from me being at the shop with just you and Johnny to watch the people that you have now. And the progress that happens and how quickly it happens here. And the group of guys and just the confidence that all you bring to each other. Yeah, is nuts, because it was different before like before 20 Before before last summer, my truck was being practiced but prepped up a Mason. We had a shop where we kept our Chase trucks and alcohol and the prewritten trucks are prep that Jake the Lascaux shop in Oklahoma, everything was separated. And all our wheat me and my dad would really do is just strategize, getting to the race and the logistics of the race. Now, one of the guys has been with him for the last 15 or 20 years is like semi stepping down. So now we're having to plan for the fuel, get other tires, get all the tires and wheels mounted. Get everything across the border, who's driving with Chase trucks where who's staying in which hotel rooms who's booking the hotel rooms? There's so many things that go into this that I had the pleasure of not being heavily involved in just kind of showing up and racing to Now diving into it. I'm like, wow, there's a lot of moving parts going on here. And we need the habit assembling. Yep, it makes you realize how much like you enjoy all of it. Like, I do that for every race I go to. And, you know, when I finish it, I'm like, Alright, let's do it again. Like, there's, there's no like, fuck that I'm not doing that ever again, like, I want to keep doing it. And I think that's why I mentioned what I'm concentrating on is the people. Because at the end of the day, if it's if you're not having fun, and you don't love what you're doing with the people that you're surrounded by, then within what are you doing? And why are you doing it? Well, and also to it makes it that much more, you appreciate it that much more when you do cross the finish line in first place, right? Because you put all that extra effort into all of these people. And then what did six significant emotional event with everybody? Yeah, it's like my brother, my brother is really good at kind of making sense, you know, of things that happen in situations and I was kind of telling them at a family thing. I'm like, You guys haven't won a race and like, almost four years, we're coming up above 100 will be four years. And and then he sends me this thing on Instagram, and this motivational speaker guy just talking about how, like, if if you went up like this, and then you just stayed here, and you're just always winning, and you're just always performing, then then you're gonna get burned out? Yeah, that it gets old after a while when you can offer some some some diversity. And when you can, you know, lower yourself back down. And and it makes you appreciate the successes and the wins so much more. You're talking to the fucking captain of that lifestyle for sure. For sure. It is crazy that you that you say that though. And in racing or motorsports, you can never stay at the top. Yeah. It's always up and down. And what I learned too, is, you know, back in 2008 910, I feel like me and my program we were we were like here. And I felt like we had one up on the competition, and everyone else was here. And then and then I went away from racing. I came back and everyone kind of caught up. Yeah. And then I then again, kind of went here again, like 2018 2019, we won the two races in a row won the championship. I'm like, Okay, I'm here. And everyone's just below us were good. But then I got complacent. Everyone started catching up. And then I didn't notice it. And before I knew it, everyone else went here. And I was still back here going, Oh, crap. What just happened? Yeah. Oh, shit. Being comfortable as a curse? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, you got to kind of wait, well, and are not. And keeping yourself immersed in it. Like, I think when you are so detached, you lose that sense of shit. Things are moving fast. You know what I mean? So when you're immersed in your scene, every part like, you can kind of catch up quicker. For sure. That's That's well said. And just having the truck in my shop and like being able to come out of my office and talk to Johnny about what things were changing or what we're improving upon. Put your hands on what happened to San Felipe, what happened to that? You know, what happened to that part? Yeah, I mean, like, literally the details like Ryan, we're walking around the truck. And Andy goes, is that tab supposed to be twisted at a little bit of an angle? Johnny goes, Yeah, because the roof has a curve to it. And he goes, Oh, cool. You know what I mean, but he noticed it because he thought something might have been wrong. Right? So that trucks, you know, 80 miles away, and you can't look at it every day, you're not going to notice that. So yeah, it's, it's a big difference. And I wasn't always super involved before and now that I am and rest being a part of it, like it's just gonna feel that much better when we do get back to where we belong. And, and we get that it's just gonna start happening way more often. We're trying to line ourselves up to be in that position. So work in progress. Yeah, I'm stoked. All right, Ryan. So the other question that I had for him was, uh, what request do you have for his new YouTube venture getting back on YouTube because him and Nelson are going to start posting more videos on YouTube. I want to know what you want to see Nelson's guys. I have my full trust in Nelson. Nelson go, we go way back. So I know that dude can kill it with anything. So he gives me an idea. And I say we're 100% in like, there's no question that there you go. All right. So I want to see more behind the scenes stuff. You know, I have a question for ya. Would it be worth me starting a YouTube channel? Oh, well, I feel like the Tick Tock and Instagram is satisfied. That's what I'm saying. I can be worth like that little that little thing. You did that for me with one with that, you know, the day one edit or whatever was hands down. My favorite thing I've watched pretty sick. I was because I was like he's walking through the pits. Like you get to see everything. And I was so pissed off at my phone. I almost turned it off because I didn't want to see more but I was stoked. You did it. Like it was cool. Yeah. That's when I texted you that Mila was gonna freaking kill you because you could do it. You could do it by yourself. Like you could literally, what was it like a real? It was real? Yeah, yeah. In a perfect spot in his life to where what he's doing on Instagram and that stuff works. Yeah. But like, Andy, you're you're on the other side of the spectrum, you have to have these big, you know, behind the scenes YouTube stuff like maybe in four or five years, that's we'll have that. But I don't think it's like necessary right now. Like, don't kill yourself, try and get it. I'm just saying it's, well, as soon as you start, you can take these videos of what you're doing, like when you go to a rally and you're there for a week and a half, and you're testing and then there's debriefs and then you're leading up to the race and each race day. Like there's so much content there that you could be saving. But dude, it's a full time, way more than full time thing and trying to edit each of those things together a comprehensive story to tell people, it's a lot, just the filling. Back in Nelson Nelson has always told me he's like, Dude, we should just put a GoPro on you. And Like Video, every event you go to and like, let's build something out of that. I'm like, Dude, I barely have enough time for my work. To come by and just show his face in the background. Like when I'm doing something, especially when I'm on the other side of the pond, and I'm doing rally racing. I'm so invested into what I'm doing. Yeah, worry about filming it. Yeah. And like, my mom would be like, Hey, you didn't film anything? I'm like, Yeah, cuz I was doing that's where I got with all my social media stuff. Like you were in San Felipe with me last year with no media guys. And I'm like, I'm full time GPS notes pre running, GPS, social media guy, they're editing. Exactly. And I'm like, and I'm like, I have zero time to be posting updates and daily things and taking a selfie of myself while pre running. But me just posting on my story what you were doing? Because I was doing it with you? Yeah, like so many people, right? They get hyped on it did yeah, that was one of the questions I had. And so I'm glad that you guys kind of brought it up. Because social media is such an active culture. Now. It's like you can't get away from it. It's pretty phenomenal. But at the same time, like, like I said, like you have to, you have to choose where you're at, to go all in with something or just keep doing access to and you know what I mean? Like, I feel like there's a lot of racers that are breaking their backs to do YouTube videos and do these big old produce videos where I'm like, I didn't need that I could have just followed your social media. There's a difference between doing it like a very professional and very personal. And if you can combine the two like you guys are doing with your YouTube channel. It's very personal. It's very in depth, like you were saying it's behind the scenes. It's raw interview aspect of it. Like Andy in the black room. Like, he wasn't asking questions that that was so cool. Like, I love that. The amount of engagement I get on my Instagram stories when I talk to the camera, and I show behind the scenes is nuts. Yeah, I know. It's crazy, because people want to see you know what the last thing I want to see is myself. So I'm like, Dude, I'm never gonna do a selfie picture with my race truck in the background. Like I'm not that kind of guy. I don't I don't. Yeah, I feel like I've been trying to actually do more selfies because people were like, chiming in like seeing it. So I was like, Alright, I'm gonna eat this fucking hot salsa and see what happens to me and I killed it. And I didn't get that much engagement. I think people like actually just seeing the salsa and asking what was eating the ingredients better. Alright, dude, hey, thanks for joining us Ryan. Really appreciate it. We're just gonna do the rapid fire q&a with the boys so have a good one to tell the family Hello. I will see I should do better. I see around yeah, sorry somebody just commented my said my dad car stories are off the hook. They were and I really should I but my problem is like I there's so many stories from dad car that didn't get posted. Not even if they didn't get posted. I can't remember them until something like chirps in my brain. I'm like, Oh, wait, I did this when I was there. I thought I forgot about the Abu Dhabi one and told the EGM guys approached me they're like, hey, remember that time you almost broke your neck right before DACA and I'm like, oh, yeah, no, no, I do remember that. And then we had a whole storytime about it. So it's like I need to I need to go back to the old camera roll when I do a sit down of that. I think that would be cool. That would be kind of cool and do because like you can save your highlights or whatever that would be sweet for you. Alright, so we're gonna go get in the rapid fire q&a Unless you got any other questions real quick before before we go away Nelson's reminded me here. We're gonna give away we're doing a giveaway thing on my Instagram. I think because Nelson helped me with it. We're giving away a t shirt of mine. Fresh team shirt any size Lee any? Pretty much any size. Yep. I don't think we have like 6x but we got some we got some big sizes here. Did I show it to the camera? Check it out. Leave a comment. What's the what's the rules? Leave a comment on George's live feed. We're gonna go back and we're going to choose a winner. Okay. At the end into the show by the end of the show, okay, so they all because they had to be watching the whole thing or unless they were just logged on right now watching right now watching when a team shirt so yeah, so at the end of the show, leave a comment down there in the in the comment section on Instagram. So if you're on Facebook watching, head over to Instagram at the dirt life show, check it out, and then we'll get all of your guys's comments together and then these guys will pick one. Can we sign one of my old visors as a giveaway to you want to do that? Yeah, we'll do that. Yeah, that would be on there too. I like it. Swag pack. What's the rules? It's the same rules. Just comment below. Yeah, no, I just added on to the same thing. I'll just piggyback it. Yeah, just piggyback in the sound words crushing it today. Well, thank you guys. Man. I really appreciate it. You guys did a fantastic job. I think Seth has hired for a co host. I have one more question because he never fully answered it. When is that going to get another trophy truck? I answer that. Yes. A sleeve rolled up in his muscles out right now. No, I'm skinny. Hold on. I didn't answer that. Well, you didn't. You drove my drove we drove one South racing a trophy truck. Well, I actually a deep conversation. Dude. I actually liked this though. Because there's a conversation. It's not necessarily a budget conversation. It's a goal conversation because it means that you have to find just like all of these people that are watching the show and want to get a UTV to go racing. It's the same concept. You have to find an outlet to be able to get some financial backing, whether it's down the street, talk to Johnny's tire shop or Red Bull to see if you can get some support to be able to get into a trophy truck or whatever. To be able to like, go through all that process, man. Like, I think it's a really good goal to have. Yeah, no, it is. Honestly, me having the truck is just one piece of the puzzle. The easiest part, you know, it's easy for me at least, trucks the easiest part and now I kind of figured out how to get in the truck. Yeah. So that's a good goal to have though, right. I think Seth has some stuff that he wants to prove, like winning to get datacard stuff. All right. So battery's dying on the iPad. Let's go through some rapid fire questions. Seth has a kind of answered some of these questions here. Okay. Do you want to go and ask? Andy? We'll just switch off the question. Yeah. So they're down there with the rapid fire you go first did tacos or hot dogs? Oh, tacos. Okay, well, Chi Chi carne? Yeah, just go on carne. I mean, I like Alpar store Autobot I really, really at ultra lero But we'll just go carne keep it simple. Oh, well. We said chicken or Assad of a dune to the rassada for sure. Sata me guy. Oh, dunes are the river. Probably the river. All right. Hey, river guy. Desert Igbo gay. All right, this is more of a question for Nelson. But action shots are still shots. As Nelson would say bangers badger only. There's only so I feel like that's action shots. Yeah. Yeah, but I appreciate a really good still shot a very well. Yeah, I appreciate it. I don't hate on it. I just 100% like one of those behind the scenes like put your helmet on in the truck or something. That's good. Yeah. All right. So that's what's the next one three wheeler or quad. You're gonna ATC you're gonna I grew up riding quads. So I gotta go quad pizza rolls or jalapeno poppers? Ooh. Wow. It's been a while. But probably probably pizza rolls. My cousin Luke would would like that answer. We're on pizza rolls. He's a big pizza roll guy. Big pizza roll guy. Yeah, coffee or tea. Coffee. Okay. Favorite movie? Favorite movie? Wow. Man. I you know, it's just the first thing that came to mind. I watched a couple weeks ago on TV was training day. Really good movie. That is a good one. That's inspirational movie really good. Kind of crazy. This question says sketchy small of your car. 2022 I think that's an old question. I think that's probably for Seth. Okay, if you could have one superpower what would it be? One superpower probably probably flying. You're gonna fly like I'm not a big I actually am scared of heights Sam but I feel like just being able to like teleport over somewhere real quick and just jump up in the air like in traffic I hate traffic remember that movie jumper? You know what? I think it'd be a sick one is being able to see the future because think about how much less stress that you'd have in life. If you can see. But yeah, like I thought about like strength. I feel like that would confuse the heck out of me though. If I could see the future I wouldn't even it would alter your decisions and your lifestyle so much at the future it will but then it would like you would never wouldn't a bad choice. Right? But then you'd be living like a pretend life. Maybe living a perfect life. Life. They were getting into philosophy here. Alright, Netflix or YouTube. Oh, wow. YouTube. Oh, I'm going to YouTube. Allison's gonna kill you. Today Netflix. Honestly. I like Netflix shows better. But YouTube pokes me more the amount of people that you can find on YouTube that are just cool people. Yeah, that you can watch and be entertained. Why isn't that Oh shoot. We gotta hurry. We only got 3% left I'll show videos or photos. Huh videos. Yep, videos where it's going most memorable race. Click though raise 22,009 Baja 1000 When I went with my dad, nice that's a cool favorite snack. favorite snack of cheese. Probably Mexican tortilla chips. Oh yeah, those are better a shout out el Nopalitos el Nopalitos Supercross motocross. Um, I watched more Supercross and but not that much this year. Motocross is much more intense. So actually probably motocross Yes, for sure. Like desert racing. Yeah, answer. One other form of racing. Would you like to try? I think I answered everything. WRC wouldn't be would be pretty sick. Yeah, it would be DTM Who is your celebrity crush? life's gonna get mad at this question. Celebrity crush chicken pox. Wow. No, I'm more of like a celebrity crush. I don't even know a lot of big actresses names. I'm going to kill Mila Kunis. Oh, that one? Yeah, yeah, I do. Pictures chick. I can tell you all right, so last question. I was like you chips chips in guacamole with fries and ketchup out chips and Glock no doubt all day talker chips and Glock. So really appreciate it dude. Thank you very much for having us. Thanks. Appreciate it. Crush it as usual. You looking really fit after getting home from Miami feeling tan I'm feeling what did he say? You're the gold goddess or something like that. Bronze bronze God Bronze Goddess that sort of was the gold's first so everybody can go and visit the sponsor deals page on the dirt life show.com help you save a whole bunch of money on all those products and stuff like that. Alright, the winner of the t shirt contest is Wyatt. One is that a number one at the end? It's cry Why? Hastings huh? Exclamation point. Yeah, so why one the t shirt Wyatt cool stuff to say he did. He was engaged really engaged for a lot of people reach out to you, buddy on your Instagram. Congratulations. Wow, you just won. That's badass. Macmillan team t shirt do this thing is this is actually a super nice quality teacher too. Yeah. All right, so it's around over here, George, go save some money at the dirt life. show.com just click on that sponsor deals page. You can say hi to all of our sponsors. Next week's show we're going to have a Texas Outlaw Series recap show if we have the race this weekend. So thank you very much everybody at any Macmillan racing for having us man. We disturbed Johnny quite a bit. I really appreciate that. He didn't kill me. It was pretty cool. Thanks, Seth for hauling ass over here. Yeah, of course awesome. Your mom driving and just move forward the most where I get it from it's where I get the fast drive and promos. And most of all, thank you very much to everyone that watched the show. Man. You guys are our lifeblood. So please keep commenting, sharing, doing all that fun social media stuff hanging out with us. We hope you had a good time with Andy and Seth here. We really appreciate you guys living your life with us. We'll see you guys next week. You guys. Everyone says stuff. Thanks for listening to the dirt life show. See you next week.